Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?
On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean even if images are disabled? That's true with some browsers, but not all. I believe FF and Safari do not show the alt attribute value at all when images are disabled. And in MSIE, this value is not displayed in relation to the user's settings regarding text-size. They do, they just don't show alt text pop up as a tooltip (because it was never meant to be implemented this way). pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?
On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who's talking about tooltip? :-)
If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you?
Yes. I do. I get the alt text where it's been applied.
Regarding MSIE, what I meant is that the alt attribute value does not match
the text-size in relation to the heading.
Agreed. I wasn't remarking on MSIE at all.
And I'm not even talking about people using their own styles sheet, that
could include:
img {display:none}
What do you think these people would get?
That would depend which technology they use to browse.
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[WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))
On 4/21/05, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The attitude that says 'visually impaired people don't matter because it isn't for them' may sound insular, but it isn't. It's merely a matter of fact. The evangelists of the 'everything in the world must be accessible to all' camp are striving for the impossible. The logical extension of this extreme attitude is that all art galleries should close down because the totally blind can't see anything in there, and all music should be unavailable because the totally deaf can't hear it, and . . . OK, you get the point. Of course everything can't be accessible to all. It's just not possible. What is possible is for there to be a level playing field, so that people can get access to stuff that is then varying levels of accessible to them. Taking the art gallery example: I, as a sighted person can walk into the Tate Modern gallery in London, see all the artwork there, and yet, find none of it accessible, because I just don't get it. A friend of mine, who has a serious sight problem can walk into that same gallery, stand in front of the same pieces of artwork I did, and that same artwork that I don't get is accessible to him. Does he experience it in the same way that I do (i.e., through the visual medium)? Nope. Does that mean that he shouldn't have bothered going to the gallery because he can't see it? Nope. Extending that to the web. I dabble in photography. I really enjoy it, and enjoy the feedback that I get when people look at my photos. I want to put my photos up on line. They're very visual, and frequently, very abstract. I'm passionate about accessibility. I want my friends with sight problems to be able to experience my photos too, even if they can't necessarily get the same level of experience visually as others will. Describing exactly what the subject won't necessarily make my photo accessible. So I tell the story behind it. What made me take it, what I was feeling at the time, whatever I think will get across the same thing I'm trying to get across in the visual medium of the photograph. Because that way, I feel like someone can then either get or not get that photo on an equal level. Just because someone can't walk into a place, look round and immediately go wow doesn't mean that they can't get that wow factor from something else, like the feeling of space, or the fact that the flooring has been designed so they don't fall on their face going up stairs... and if you're showcasing your design skills online, why limit yourself to just the visual? Show off your design skills by designing in more than one dimension! Ok, I'm going to stop ranting and get back to work. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)
On 4/20/05, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural or otherwise design showcase site - what designer is going to give half a though to blind or visually impaired users? Quite honestly, in a situation like this site... who cares about them? - it's not for people who are blind or visually impaired. Wow. That's one of the most ridiculously short-sighted things I've heard in a long time... and no, I'm not apologising for the pun. The designer that gives half a thought to blind or visually impaired users is the one who will ultimately get more business, particularly given the current shift in thinking towards a more inclusive environment. *particularly* in terms of buildings, fittings and gadgets. Do you really think that people who are blind or visually impaired don't care about design, about nice buildings, about cool gadgets? I know people with sight problems who are fascinated by design - just because it's more difficult to make such a visual medium accessible doesn't mean that you can write off the people who can't access it, just because your creativity only goes so far and you can't be bothered stretching yourself to find interesting ways to make it accessible that fit in with your grand vision. (and I use the word your in the collective sense, not you personally) Do you really, honestly think that there aren't blind or visually impaired people in charge of budgets who comission such things? It's quite sad really. Every time I think that things are taking a step forward in terms of inclusivity, I see stuff like this and realise how far we have to go. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia
On 4/18/05, Johnno Shadbolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind boggling, to say the least. Maybe the next big graphic design program will be Fireshop, or Photoworks? Wow. Like Patrick, I had to check that it wasn't a belated April Fools thing. Holy cow. I totally didn't see that one coming. I'll be happy so long as they don't ditch Fireworks entirely. I like Fireworks and I like Photoshop, but for entirely different things. I'd be really gutted if they merge the two or abandon Fireworks. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element
On Apr 1, 2005 4:04 PM, Trusz, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the example works just fine in IE6. Not strictly. If you look, you'll notice that the third sentence is in smallcaps in IE6 and ordinary in FF. Not much of an issue, but an issue nonetheless. [/pedant] pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] acronym and abbr and worms
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:35:40 -, Mike Foskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently under US law it is completely acceptable for a name to be spelt Brown yet pronounced Smith. Which might go some way to explaining my confusion upon finding out that the name Choire was pronounced Cory, and just goes to show that you can never assume how things are going to be pronounced by people, never mind by access tech software! But enough of the pedantry. Pedantry is like chocolate. There's no such thing as enough. :) pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 3 cols width any column longest and no div clear
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:21:16 +0100, Carlos Rincon Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone knows a 3 col model with any column longest and no div clear? http://www.positioniseverything.net/piefecta-rigid.html Cheers, pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 3 cols width any column longest and no div clear
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:15:41 +0100, Carlos Rincon Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but i known this. I'm looking for a model with less hacks and no negative margins. Oh, if only it were that easy... then everyone would be doing them :) pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Image at the bottom of a column
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:23:56 +0100, Carlos Rincon Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I need to put an image at the bottom of a column. The web page has 3 colored columns using this: http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/3cols2/ I need something like this: http://www.neuroticweb.com/imagenes/pantallazo.gif Anyone knows how to make it? First we tried to put the image in the footer and then putting a margin-top negative. It works with firefox but it doesn't with iexplorer. You might find this - http://www.positioniseverything.net/piefecta-rigid.html - helpful. Cheers, pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
The design is lovely, but unfortunately, in ie5.5, your footer is stuck to the left hand side of the screen, rather than where it should be following on from the main column above. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
