Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
hi russ the bbc childrens sites makes extensive use of flash for their games: cbeebies games for switch and special needs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/games/theme/switch/ keyboard: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/games/theme/keyboard/ CBBC switch http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/switch/ general: some are keyboard accessible http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/ regards steve On 1 February 2010 03:52, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers I believe the best person to ask for this is Andrew Kirkpatrick (Corporate Accessibility Engineering Lead for Adobe). -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
At 1/31/2010 07:52 PM, Russ Weakley wrote: A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible A wrinkle in keyboard accessibility is what I think of as the Black Holes of Flash: when a Flash application swallows keystrokes that normally operate the browser such as the CTL and ALT combinations in Windows. It's commonplace in my experience that Flash developers will prevent me from using CTL-w to close the current tab, CTL-TAB to switch to the next tab, ALT-whatever to use the browser's menu, and so on. They're not even re-purposing the keystrokes for new uses in their applications, they're just eating them. Keyboard accessibility can therefore be seen as a matter of degree, not merely true/false. A Flash app might itself be keyboard-accessible but still be quite frustrating for a keyboard user for whom the Flash app is not the only activity in their day. If you can't leave the browser window running Flash without using a mouse, someone's botched their job. An example of a Flash application which itself is, alas, not keyboard-accessible but that does honor browser keystrokes is the jacket designer http://tmathletics.com/designer.php which we produced a few years ago. (The next-gen version we're producing this year will be accessible!) Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Hi Russ, A good place to start for good example sites is here http://flex.org/showcase_page Cheers, Rae On 1 February 2010 14:52, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
On 2010/02/01 14:52 (GMT+1100) Russ Weakley composed: A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) I can't see any pattern to tab ordering on http://www.iontelevision.com/schedule.php plus once I click on anything there I'm no longer able to leave the FF3.5.7 tab it's in using Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn. I can't see any indication of focus on http://tinyurl.com/yhpy4zf 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible I'm curious how frequently real people encounter examples of such a thing. I do my best to avoid Flash sites, as Flash content invariably uses predominantly mousetype. http://webdesign-l.com/mailman/private/list/2010-January/015534.html is part of a thread on HBO's new site design, apparently devoid of functional non-Flash content, maybe useful to your colleague. -- Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Hi Russ http://www.monotone.com.au/ as far as I can see, no tab access at all. Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 2:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Hi Elizabeth, Once I give the Flash block on that site focus by clicking it, tabbing works fine. I couldn't find an alternative way of giving it focus. Thanks, Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie, landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172 my business: tixi.com.au - Ticketing without the dramas -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Spiegel Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 5:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites Hi Russ http://www.monotone.com.au/ as far as I can see, no tab access at all. Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 2:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Russ Weakley wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. 2. 3. Russ 4. Mousetype. http://www.universalsprout.com/ ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
