Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
On 9/11/05 6:07 PM Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first? I sure haven't seen K-12 teachers mentioned here lately (they are a different breed, you know?), but maybe I missed it! ;-) Have a link to a thread in the archive? Thanks! Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
You might be able to get some valuable information or at least resources from this link http://www.frank.to/classes2.html
Frank Cronk is the Interface Design professor at the University of
Idaho and my mentor while getting my education there. They have a nice
series of classes targeted at web standards design.On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/11/05 6:07 PM Richard Czeiger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first?I sure haven't seen K-12 teachers mentioned here lately (they are a
different breed, you know?), but maybe I missed it! ;-)Have a link to a thread in the archive?Thanks!Rick Faaberg**The discussion list for
http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help
**-- Chris Gandolfo{Designer Standards Advocate}Twelve Horses
[WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Hi all, I need to convince a bunch of K-12 teachers to teach web standards instead of tables-for-layout and FrontPage and Publisher type of thing to their students. Besides W3C, what sites should I point to for teachers who really have no idea with any of this, and won't read umpteen sites to figure all this out? Any lesson plans out there, by chance? :-) Thanks Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I really like this: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ I think it covers most everything.On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I need to convince a bunch of K-12 teachers to teach web standards insteadof tables-for-layout and FrontPage and Publisher type of thing to theirstudents.Besides W3C, what sites should I point to for teachers who really have no idea with any of this, and won't read umpteen sites to figure all this out?Any lesson plans out there, by chance? :-)ThanksRick Faaberg** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Rick Faaberg wrote: Any lesson plans out there, by chance? :-) what you think is the best way to get the information is your lesson plan. go with what you know and in what order you do it. when you decide to teach, you are taking on a serious responsibility and making your own outline how to disseminate the information in a logical format is the baby you have to birth. good luck in your endeavor. dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; There is no such thing as sin;... 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Actually, I forgot about this link too. This is a class at Cornell University that teaches XHTML 1.0 Strict. Here's the link: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu There isn't a complete lesson plan but you can see the syllabus. On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all,I need to convince a bunch of K-12 teachers to teach web standards instead of tables-for-layout and FrontPage and Publisher type of thing to theirstudents.Besides W3C, what sites should I point to for teachers who really have noidea with any of this, and won't read umpteen sites to figure all this out? Any lesson plans out there, by chance? :-)ThanksRick Faaberg**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Christian Montoya wrote: Actually, I forgot about this link too. This is a class at Cornell University that teaches XHTML 1.0 Strict. Here's the link: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu as was brought to my attention not too long ago, if your pages are strict, then the future life of the pages is shortened with any changes to the xhtml recommendations. the transitional doctype seems to be a better choice because it will last longer than the strict doctype. i think someone on this list brought this to my attention. dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; There is no such thing as sin;... 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Transitional pages are full of deprecated HTML 4.0 tags that are not allowed in XHTML 1.1 or 2.0. Strict pages can usually be validated as XHTML 1.1 without any changes. Just read the XHTML specifications for differences between XHTML 1.0 and 1.1. It's about 3 lines. Strict means the page meets XHTML 1.0 specs completely. Transitional means the page has deprecated tags that are being ignored. It's a very simple difference. Anyone else concur?On 9/11/05, dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: Actually, I forgot about this link too. This is a class at Cornell University that teaches XHTML 1.0 Strict. Here's the link: http://cs130.cs.cornell.eduas was brought to my attention not too long ago, if your pages arestrict, then the future life of the pages is shortened with any changesto the xhtml recommendations.the transitional doctype seems to be a better choice because it will last longer than the strict doctype.ithink someone on this list brought this to my attention.dwain--dwain alford[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.comThe Savior replied;There is no such thing as sin;...'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala'** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first? R - Original Message - From: Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards Hi all, I need to convince a bunch of K-12 teachers to teach web standards instead of tables-for-layout and FrontPage and Publisher type of thing to their students. Besides W3C, what sites should I point to for teachers who really have no idea with any of this, and won't read umpteen sites to figure all this out? Any lesson plans out there, by chance? :-) Thanks Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
Christian, I agree with that. The word transitional implies that its about moving to newer standards. Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Monday, 12 September 2005 8:20 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Transitional pages are full of deprecated HTML 4.0 tags that are not allowed in XHTML 1.1 or 2.0. Strict pages can usually be validated as XHTML 1.1 without any changes. Just read the XHTML specifications for differences between XHTML 1.0 and 1.1. It's about 3 lines. Strict means the page meets XHTML 1.0 specs completely. Transitional means the page has deprecated tags that are being ignored. It's a very simple difference. Anyone else concur? On 9/11/05, dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: Actually, I forgot about this link too. This is a class at Cornell University that teaches XHTML 1.0 Strict. Here's the link: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu as was brought to my attention not too long ago, if your pages are strict, then the future life of the pages is shortened with any changes to the xhtml recommendations.the transitional doctype seems to be a better choice because it will last longer than the strict doctype.i think someone on this list brought this to my attention. dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; There is no such thing as sin;... 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
