Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
On 01/03/2010, at 8:44 AM, Sam Dwyer dwyer@abc.net.au wrote: Hope some of that helps. (Hi to the mailing list by the way, this is my first post since I joined, look forward to engaging with you all) Thanks Sam and welcome, great to get your perspective on TinyMCE, if you ever do dig into extending CKEditor please let us know if it lives up to your first impressions. I'd be delighted to go down the WYSIWYM path if only to force those contributing content to think about the structure of it. Although it seems that knowledge of HTML is a prerequisite for the appreciation of markdown and the like. Ollie @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I haven't had much of a look at the new CKEditor version but I was mightily impressed with the initial glance I had at it when he first released it. It looks like a *major* improvement on the original fckeditor. Cleaner code, more accessible and easier, cleaner ability to add plugins. If I was starting a new project that required a WYSWYG editor this would most certainly be the first on my list to evaluate. I've spent the last couple of years wrestling with tinymce which used to be my editor of choice until I had to start writing proper plugins for it. It was an impressive offering 4-5 years ago and as a straight 'drop in' product it's still amazing, but given the leaps and bounds javascript has made in the last couple of years I simply can't recommend it anymore with a clear conscience. If you do know your way around javascript you'll find hacking tinymce to do what you want a frustrating experience. If you don't know your way around javascript then basically you won't be able to hack around under the hood of tinymce at all. The only other editor I've looked at recently that I thought I'd be interested in was wymditor (http://www.wymeditor.org/) which is a 'what you see is what you mean' editor and may not be what some people require, but it is built on jquery (which should theoretically make extending it easier) and it does look quite nicely and cleanly done. Hope some of that helps. (Hi to the mailing list by the way, this is my first post since I joined, look forward to engaging with you all) Cheers, Sam Dwyer Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I'd be also be curious to learn more about any editors that can use a site's CSS. Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming the CSS into XML. For about 5 years, I've used InnovaStudio because it easily integrates use of site styles by the editor, but it's not commonly available within most CMS apps. Would like to learn about any other editors that can easily integrate with a site's CSS. Christie Mason *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming the CSS into XML. That is not entirely accurate. The fckstyles.xml tells the editor which styles the user can apply and how to apply them. The actual CSS definition is defined in your CSS file and can be modified without updating the fckstyles.xml again. [-CM-] I'd love to know more about where and how to accomplish that. Everything I found talked about FCKConfig.EditorAreaCSS = FCKConfig.EditorAreaStyles FCKConfig.ToolbarComboPreviewCSS But that doesn't change the styles in the style drop down to the site styles Christie Mason *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
We make extensive use of TinyMCE with Drupal (we're a Drupal development shop) - it's not perfect, but it does offer a lot of flexibility regarding acceptable tags, and we've been able to get it to provide XHTML compliant code. Combined with filters like Tidy, it's possible to ensure that you don't get non-compliant code being entered. rantThe biggest issue is the complexity of cleaning up cut-pasted content from MS Word... *that's* a problem. TinyMCE offers a Paste from Word function which strips most of the rubbish from Word-produced content, but it's a pain to use... or people assume that anything coming from MS Word is clearly well suited for the web... We spend a lot of time trying to discourage people from using Word for authoring web content, because it's a very poor tool for doing so, but we have a hard time suggesting a palatable alternative (people seem to find the idea of composing content in the actual TinyMCE interface totally absurd, which doesn't make much sense to me...)./rant Regards, Dave On 27/02/10 07:32, Kepler Gelotte wrote: Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming the CSS into XML. That is not entirely accurate. The fckstyles.xml tells the editor which styles the user can apply and how to apply them. The actual CSS definition is defined in your CSS file and can be modified without updating the fckstyles.xml again. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Dave Lane, Egressive Ltd d...@egressive.com m +64212298147 p +6439633733 http://egressive.com Free/OpenSourceSoftware: because to share is human Only use Open Standards - w3.org, Drupal powers communities - drupal.org Effusion Group http://effusiongroup.com Software Patents kill innovation *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I used FCKeditor on a clients site - http://www.gablemarine.com/ When installed with the html purifier filter my client can create content that is entirely XHTML strict http://drupal.org/project/htmlpurifier - it helped a lot with sorting Word code too. Only thing is the client managed to build a bit of a mess on the project page when I gave him access to tables lol - won't be doing that with the next client! It was a bit of a pain to configure though as it uses its own caching system but it does a great job now it's up and running. Darren Lovelock MunkyOnline Web Design www.munkyonline.com +44 (0) 208 816 8893 Web Design Services: Brochure-style, Content Managed, E-commerce. Internet Marketing: Search Engine Optimisation, Link Building, Copywriting. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Dave Lane Sent: 26 February 2010 19:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor We make extensive use of TinyMCE with Drupal (we're a Drupal development shop) - it's not perfect, but it does offer a lot of flexibility regarding acceptable tags, and we've been able to get it to provide XHTML compliant code. Combined with filters like Tidy, it's possible to ensure that you don't get non-compliant code being entered. rantThe biggest issue is the complexity of cleaning up cut-pasted content from MS Word... *that's* a problem. TinyMCE offers a Paste from Word function which strips most of the rubbish from Word-produced content, but it's a pain to use... or people assume that anything coming from MS Word is clearly well suited for the web... We spend a lot of time trying to discourage people from using Word for authoring web content, because it's a very poor tool for doing so, but we have a hard time suggesting a palatable alternative (people seem to find the idea of composing content in the actual TinyMCE interface totally absurd, which doesn't make much sense to me...)./rant Regards, Dave On 27/02/10 07:32, Kepler Gelotte wrote: Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming the CSS into XML. That is not entirely accurate. The fckstyles.xml tells the editor which styles the user can apply and how to apply them. The actual CSS definition is defined in your CSS file and can be modified without updating the fckstyles.xml again. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Dave Lane, Egressive Ltd d...@egressive.com m +64212298147 p +6439633733 http://egressive.com Free/OpenSourceSoftware: because to share is human Only use Open Standards - w3.org, Drupal powers communities - drupal.org Effusion Group http://effusiongroup.com Software Patents kill innovation *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
Hi James, On 27 February 2010 03:30, James O'Neill freexe...@gmail.com wrote: I am not at all happy with the FCK editor. I am starting to look at Time MCE and Standard. When you say FCK editor do you mean the current version? Now called CKEditor. Broadly, I’m very interested to hear comparisons or war stories from anyone who has extensive experience with more than one of these editors. Cheers Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
