Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this is ok to ask. This subject is of great interest to me and I can't find the original message it: Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal. I haven't check this mailbox in a week so I've got hundreds of messages and may have accidentally deleted the original post. Would someone fill me in on the original post? Thanks so much. The original message was just a reference to: http://www.iht.com/articles/525584.html To see the rest of the thread you should search the archives in the WSG's member section. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
I hope this is ok to ask. This subject is of great interest to me and I can't find the original message it: Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal. I haven't check this mailbox in a week so I've got hundreds of messages and may have accidentally deleted the original post. Would someone fill me in on the original post? Thanks so much. I think the original poster was just pointing to this link: http://www.iht.com/articles/525584.html HTH, K. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
In a message dated 6/22/2004 4:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, sorry for steering this thread off course ;) I hope this is ok to ask. This subject is of great interest to me and I can't find the original message it: "Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal". I haven't check this mailbox in a week so I've got hundreds of messages and may have accidentally deleted the original post. Would someone fill me in on the original post? Thanks so much.
RE: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
I'm not sure if this what you're looking for, but it's worth a shot. "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect." Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and Inventor of the World Wide Web I hope this helps. Lee Roberts http://www.applepiecart.com http://www.roserockdesign.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal In a message dated 6/22/2004 4:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Anyway, sorry for steering this thread off course ;)I hope this is ok to ask. This subject is of great interest to me and I can't find the original message it: "Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal". I haven't check this mailbox in a week so I've got hundreds of messages and may have accidentally deleted the original post. Would someone fill me in on the original post? Thanks so much.
RE: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next page) is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip would have done, or a change of cursor)...but I digress Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Tim Shortt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 June 2004 16:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal Thought this might interest the group: http://www.iht.com/articles/525584.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:31:17 +0100, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next page) is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip would have done, or a change of cursor)...but I digress There are next page and prev page links further down as well as a 1 | 2 link -- but -- those don't work either if you don't have javascript enabled. -- hth, Stephanie http://stephanie.elsy.us/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
Stephanie wrote: There are next page and prev page links further down as well as a 1 | 2 link -- but -- those don't work either if you don't have javascript enabled. I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw attention to the shortcomings of the site. There is a tinge of irony to reporting about Keeping the Web Universal on a site that *requires* Javascript. While we're on the subject, I don't think this approach degrades gracefully without JS (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). To their defense, this is a rather dated design, going back several years...at least that's how long I remember reading it. It predates any significant Web standards movement, I think. The Clippings feature has always been a really nice way to save a quick list of what you want to read, in case you're interrupted or don't have time at the moment (which was nice prior to the days of RSS feeds). To me, that feature would still be consistent with a standards-based approach because it's a nice-to-have/nice-to-use. But the this site requires javascript (especially just to navigate an article) is a no-go, IMO. Tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:12 -0400, Tim Shortt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw attention to the shortcomings of the site. There is a tinge of irony to reporting about Keeping the Web Universal on a site that *requires* Javascript. Yes, that was my point too - there were at least three ways to navigate the article pages but ALL of them required javascript. In fact, if you disable javascript and then go to the article, you can't even see the first page. While we're on the subject, I don't think this approach degrades gracefully without JS (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). To their defense, this is a rather dated design, going back several years...at least that's how long I remember reading it. It predates any significant Yes, I recognize the design from at least two years ago, perhaps three years. But the this site requires javascript (especially just to navigate an article) is a no-go, IMO. Ditto. :) -- hth, Stephanie http://stephanie.elsy.us/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
