Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Hi Kevin, You wrote: Well, having just read this: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/copyrght.htm ... I suspect that it's not (legal, that is). I agree the wording of your reference sounds like there is no legal online copy but I am still a bit confused by the O'Reilly behavior--Andrew's URL for: complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm Shows the domain and most of the path as being the same as your reference indicating that they both come from the same source. If online copies aren't OK, why is O'Reilly putting out an online copy? I understand if a publisher doesn't give freebees or only offers a chapter as a sample, but they can not expect me to believe their own online copy is illegal -- or can they be that silly? Regards, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Gene Falck wrote: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/copyrght.htm http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm Shows the domain and most of the path as being the same as your reference indicating that they both come from the same source. If online copies aren't OK, why is O'Reilly putting out an online copy? The URLs above match because they're from the same place - not because they're in any way authoritative. That IP address is for a server called linuxalpha1.eicn.ch which appears to be in Switzerland. I understand if a publisher doesn't give freebees or only offers a chapter as a sample, but they can not expect me to believe their own online copy is illegal -- or can they be that silly? No, they're not. The presence of a few logos does not mean it's an O'Reilly site. Their URL is http://www.oreilly.com/ which has an IP address of 208.201239.37 Make no assumptions, accept no substitutes ;-) Cheers mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Can we stop this discussion. The more we post the links to the list discussing it the more they end up in mail-archive.com. No it isn't an O'Reilly website. We all get it :) It's like a send this to everyone you know virus warning email, becomes the problem itself. P ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Jad Madi wrote: I know there is a lot of tutorials out there, but I'm looking for a book, do you recommend any book about coding with Js without breaking standards? I'd go for Jeremy Keith's new DOM Scripting book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590595335/103-7301643-7270227 -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
2005/10/16, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jad Madi wrote: I know there is a lot of tutorials out there, but I'm looking for a book, do you recommend any book about coding with Js without breaking standards? I'd go for Jeremy Keith's new DOM Scripting book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590595335/103-7301643-7270227 At @media I did ask Jeremy which book would he recommend - his or DHTML Utopia His advice was that later was for more advanced developers, and his was more introductionary. I own DHML Utopia..., highly recommended. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Jad Madi wrote: I want to start learning coding JS, but as usual I want to stick with the standards, I know there is a lot of tutorials out there, but I'm looking for a book, It's important to realize that JavaScript programing and DOM scripting are two different things. As ist happens, DOM scripting is a common use for JavaScript and JavaScript its the most commonly use language for DOM scripting. JavaScript is a full-fledged, object oriented programing language. (Note: It's not class based as most common OOPs are; rather, it's prototype based.) In the future you're likely to see more and more applications using JavaScript as its scripting language. do you recommend any book about coding with Js without breaking standards? One of the best books on JavaScript is: JavaScript: The Definitive Guide, by David Flanagan (O'Reilly Associates, Inc.) I have the 3rd ed., which is somewhat dated (1998), but still quite good. I've looked at the 4th ed., and it does a good job of bringing the material up to date. While the books is an excellent guide to JavaScript programing, it assumes previous programing knowledge. or what do you think of those books DHTML Utopia Modern Web Design Using JavaScript DOM I've read so good reviews. and Professional JavaScript for Web Developers (Wrox Professional Guides) Don't know. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Hi Mordechai and all, You wrote: or what do you think of those books DHTML Utopia Modern Web Design Using JavaScript DOM I've read so good reviews. I have that book and find it a bit disappointing--I tried out some of the ideas and find that, 1. Browser variations are such as to make it unlikely that using listeners in your JavaScript code instead of onmousewhatever attributes can now be a useful step in separating content from behavior in your pages. With a three-step conditional you can get most of the PC users but perhaps not Safari users; this engenders a lot more code and is not easier to keep track of than the bad old way is. Note that I am still trying and will have to have a session with a Mac type (in my family) across town to check it out. Of course the conversion of the BODY onLoad attribute to a listener does appear to work well, but that's not so new. 2. Some of the effects claimed don't seem to work at all, at least not on my setup, trying them in IE6 SP2 and Mozilla 1.7. Probably not a bad book so much as ahead of its time and a little too optimistic (about where CSS was six years ago LOL). I do use JavaScript, going well beyond what is OK for Web use, for my local apps. Web site authors need to be careful to use JavaScript only to add bells and whistles (rather than content) to allow for the many users running without scripting, many to avoid security threats. Regards, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
On 10/17/05, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best books on JavaScript is: JavaScript: The Definitive Guide, by David Flanagan (O'Reilly Associates, Inc.) Couldn't agree more. A fantastic reference manual that will remain on my desk for years to come. Here's the complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed! -Andrew.
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
On 17/10/05 8:01 AM, Andrew Krespanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/05, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best books on JavaScript is: JavaScript: The Definitive Guide, by David Flanagan (O'Reilly Associates, Inc.) Couldn't agree more. A fantastic reference manual that will remain on my desk for years to come. Here's the complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm fou nd via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed! -Andrew. �� ��.�Ȩ� b�� i��y�-jwZ�� ������I 瀆�i��y�-jwZ�� ������f���.�ץ�w����+�xb���p)��b�-� ax b����)��� Well, having just read this: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/copyrght.htm ... I suspect that it's not (legal, that is). -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Andrew Krespanis wrote: Here's the complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed! and the Tooth Fairy, I suppose? ;-) f you have found this CD Bookshelf on the web, or it is a copy of an original, then you have an unauthorized, infringing copy. Authorized, lawful, non-infringing copies of this product can be purchased from O'Reilly Associates, Inc. and I see Kevin Futter has just posted the URL for the above statement mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
Andrew Krespanis wrote: Here's the complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed! and the Tooth Fairy, I suppose? ;-) f you have found this CD Bookshelf on the web, or it is a copy of an original, then you have an unauthorized, infringing copy. Authorized, lawful, non-infringing copies of this product can be purchased from O'Reilly Associates, Inc. and I see Kevin Futter has just posted the URL for the above statement mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards
My sincerest apologies to the group regarding the links in my previous post. Youthful naivety shines through once more :-o Please keep any further abuse off-list; it's not relevant to the thread. :) On 10/17/05, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Krespanis wrote: Here's the complete 4th edition online: http://157.26.64.29/OReilly_books/books/webprog/jscript/index.htm found via: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html I *believe* it's legal... fingers crossed! and the Tooth Fairy, I suppose? ;-) f you have found this CD Bookshelf on the web, or it is a copy of an original, then you have an unauthorized, infringing copy. Authorized, lawful, non-infringing copies of this product can be purchased from O'Reilly Associates, Inc. and I see Kevin Futter has just posted the URL for the above statement mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://leftjustified.net/ ~ Show me one user that actually needs a 'reset' button on a web form and I'll show you 50 that clicked it by mistake and left your site in disgust. :)
