Re: [X2go-dev] suidperl depreciated upstream?

2011-05-23 Thread Moritz Strübe
Hi,

I'm not familiar with the details, but you can try using the Debian or
Ubuntu sources. They seem to be actively maintained.

Morty


Am 22.05.2011 18:09, Milan Knížek schrieb:
 Hello List!

 perl-suid is the run-time dependency of x2goserver from the current Git.

 I have spent some time searching for a package (or PKGBUILD script) for
 Arch Linux and have not succeeded.

 Having also checked the current source code of Perl, I found the reason
 for it - the INSTALL file reads:

 -
 suidperl

 suidperl was an optional component of earlier releases of perl. It is no
 longer available.  Instead, use a tool specifically designed to handle
 changes in privileges, such as sudo.
 -

 (I am aware about the sudo vs suidperl discussion held in February this
 year on the mailing list.)

 Is there any solution for those running the most recent perl (and for
 future in general)?

 Regards,
 Milan


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Re: [X2go-dev] suidperl depreciated upstream?

2011-05-23 Thread Milan Knížek
V Mon, 23 May 2011 08:25:26 +0200
Moritz Strübe moritz.stru...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de napsáno:

 Hi,

Hello Moritz and others,

 
 I'm not familiar with the details, but you can try using the Debian or
 Ubuntu sources. They seem to be actively maintained.

I appologise for not being clear enough: it is upstream, who decided to
remove suidperl. I assume that the reason is a security concern.

http://www.cpan.org/src/README.html

It still existed as an optional component in perl 5.10.1, but does not
exist anymore in versions 5.12.3 and 5.14.0.


In other words, x2goserver will not run on debian in future either.
(Unless debian devs fork perl.)

regards,
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Re: [X2go-dev] suidperl depreciated upstream?

2011-05-23 Thread Stéphane Graber
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 18:02 +0200, Milan Knížek wrote:
 V Mon, 23 May 2011 08:25:26 +0200
 Moritz Strübe moritz.stru...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de napsáno:
 
  Hi,
 
 Hello Moritz and others,
 
  
  I'm not familiar with the details, but you can try using the Debian or
  Ubuntu sources. They seem to be actively maintained.
 
 I appologise for not being clear enough: it is upstream, who decided to
 remove suidperl. I assume that the reason is a security concern.
 
 http://www.cpan.org/src/README.html
 
 It still existed as an optional component in perl 5.10.1, but does not
 exist anymore in versions 5.12.3 and 5.14.0.
 
 
 In other words, x2goserver will not run on debian in future either.
 (Unless debian devs fork perl.)
 
 regards,
 Milan

Ubuntu Oneiric (current development release) already upgraded to perl
5.12 and perl-suid is now listed in the list of packages that aren't
built from any source:
http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html

It's to be expected that perl-suid will be removed from the archive in
the next few days/weeks.

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Re: [X2go-dev] suidperl depreciated upstream?

2011-05-23 Thread Moritz Strübe
Am 23.05.2011 18:21, Stéphane Graber schrieb:
 Ubuntu Oneiric (current development release) already upgraded to perl
 5.12 and perl-suid is now listed in the list of packages that aren't
 built from any source:
 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html

 It's to be expected that perl-suid will be removed from the archive in
 the next few days/weeks.

In this case I suggest the C-Wrapper as done by backuppc.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581950#msg49
Some checks on the file to be executed should be run, though (ownership,
permissions, etc). But that's shouldn't be too much a hassle and IMO
still better then sudo.

Cheers
Morty

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[X2go-dev] iPAD now has X and ssh

2011-05-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all.  We've received a number of queries about running X2Go on an
iPAD.  My understanding to this point is that the absolute fundamentals
are missing.  However, I was recently sent the following:

i-SSH for the iPad comes up well in reviews: 
Description

A full featured SSH and Telnet emulator of VT100, VT102, VT220, ANSI,
and xterm terminals integrated with a tunneled VNC client and an X
server
Customer Reviews
Great SSH client
 
by Mikaey0

This is definitely a great SSH client. Everything I use works as I
expect it to when connecting to my box at home. Definitely nice to see a
working X server for the iPad as well!
Amazingly functional
 
by Nick75985

Continues to amaze me with new functionality I discover.
Never crashed on me.
Incredibly full-featured and useful app.
 
by quantumonion

Edit: Wow, TextExpander support just added! If an app could give you
goose bumps, iSSH would be that app.

Only two suggestions come to mind.

1. TextExpander support (done!)
2. Native Dropbox support for the connection list

It's possible to save the connection list to Dropbox with the export to
clipboard feature, but it'd be great to offer an option to auto-sync any
changes automatically.

The above are just nits though. This has become one of those
indispensable apps that you'd have to pry my cold dead fingers off of
before I'd give it up.


Given the above, what would it take to get X2Go to run on an iPAD using
i-SSH? Is anyone interested if giving it a run? It's definitely outside
of our skill set.  Thanks - John

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Re: [X2go-dev] suidperl depreciated upstream?

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Gabriel

Hi Morty, hi all,

On Mo 23 Mai 2011 20:03:23 CEST Moritz Strübe wrote:


Am 23.05.2011 18:21, Stéphane Graber schrieb:

Ubuntu Oneiric (current development release) already upgraded to perl
5.12 and perl-suid is now listed in the list of packages that aren't
built from any source:
http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html

It's to be expected that perl-suid will be removed from the archive in
the next few days/weeks.


In this case I suggest the C-Wrapper as done by backuppc.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581950#msg49
Some checks on the file to be executed should be run, though (ownership,
permissions, etc). But that's shouldn't be too much a hassle and IMO
still better then sudo.

Cheers
Morty


this sounds like a good approach. Who is putting this on his todo  
list? Can you, Morty?


Greets,
Mike

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Re: [X2go-dev] iPAD now has X and ssh

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Gabriel

Hi John,

On Mo 23 Mai 2011 20:04:16 CEST John A. Sullivan III wrote:


Hello, all.  We've received a number of queries about running X2Go on an
iPAD.  My understanding to this point is that the absolute fundamentals
are missing.  However, I was recently sent the following:



[...]



Given the above, what would it take to get X2Go to run on an iPAD using
i-SSH? Is anyone interested if giving it a run? It's definitely outside
of our skill set.  Thanks - John


iPad - Test Platform

I cannot speak for Alex, but I remember the last time when a major  
problem about X2go  development for Mac was the loss (theft) of Alex's  
MacBook.


With an iPad the situation is probably similar: no hardware - i.e.  
iPad - to test on available at all.


Would it be a possibility to provide an iPad for testing/development?

AppStore and GPL software
-
There also has been an issue around AppStore and GPL in January 2011:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046

If there will be an X2goClient for iPad in the future it will surely  
need a distribution pathway. How would that work? (I am not at all  
familiar with Macs, but may I bring up the question nonetheless?).


Greets,
Mike


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Re: [X2go-dev] nxproxy and nxcomp uploaded to Ubuntu Oneiric

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Gabriel

Hi Stéphane,

On Fr 20 Mai 2011 21:01:10 CEST Stéphane Graber wrote:


Hello,

As I mentioned earlier, I've been basing these two uploads on a clean
NoMachine tarball and re-applied the changes from the existing Debian
package and from x2go's git.
They can all be found in the (relatively well documented)
debian/patches/ directory of the source packages.


The patches are now committed to our Git (so that we have them in our  
current build env) under your identity.


Unfortunately, Alioth has been down for some days already and so has  
git.debian.org (location of collab-maint).


I want to start working on the 3.5.0 branch on Alioth ASAP.

Greets,
Mike

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Re: [X2go-dev] iPAD now has X and ssh

2011-05-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 20:42 +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote:
 Hi John,
 
 On Mo 23 Mai 2011 20:04:16 CEST John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
  Hello, all.  We've received a number of queries about running X2Go on an
  iPAD.  My understanding to this point is that the absolute fundamentals
  are missing.  However, I was recently sent the following:
 
  [...]
 
  Given the above, what would it take to get X2Go to run on an iPAD using
  i-SSH? Is anyone interested if giving it a run? It's definitely outside
  of our skill set.  Thanks - John
 
 iPad - Test Platform
 
 I cannot speak for Alex, but I remember the last time when a major  
 problem about X2go  development for Mac was the loss (theft) of Alex's  
 MacBook.
 
 With an iPad the situation is probably similar: no hardware - i.e.  
 iPad - to test on available at all.
 
 Would it be a possibility to provide an iPad for testing/development?
 
 AppStore and GPL software
 -
 There also has been an issue around AppStore and GPL in January 2011:
 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046
 
 If there will be an X2goClient for iPad in the future it will surely  
 need a distribution pathway. How would that work? (I am not at all  
 familiar with Macs, but may I bring up the question nonetheless?).
 
 Greets,
 Mike
 
 
At the least, we can probably come up with a test user.  I'm not sure if
we can come up with a test iPAD; it's possible.  Good point about the
distribution.  I'd imagine it has to go through the iStore.  I don't
know if the iSSH fellow would be interested in bundling the X2Go client.
That would save us having to deal with the iStore but also remove the
possible revenue stream.  I do not know if there is any free / open
source mechanism within the Apple ecosystem.

I'll also push back to some of the folks who are asking us and see if
they have any suggestions.  Thanks - John

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Re: [X2go-dev] iPAD now has X and ssh

2011-05-23 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Hi John,

thank you for posting this news. It is very interesting what already can
be done with this closed platform.
Though I really would like to see a real open mobile platform...
I tested the MeeGo Tablet Edition on my EEEPC and it is still based on
Xorg and the userland tools. I don't know what will happen to this
platform in future, but it really would be a better platform to run
x2goclient.

Am 23.05.2011 21:47, schrieb John A. Sullivan III:
 On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 20:42 +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote:
 Hi John,

 iPad - Test Platform
 
 I cannot speak for Alex, but I remember the last time when a major  
 problem about X2go  development for Mac was the loss (theft) of Alex's  
 MacBook.

Yes Alex's macbook is lost.

 With an iPad the situation is probably similar: no hardware - i.e.  
 iPad - to test on available at all.

No, we don't own an IPad.

 AppStore and GPL software
 -
 There also has been an issue around AppStore and GPL in January 2011:
 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046

x2goclient is made with the help of C++ anduses Qt. If you want to get
your app inside the app store it should be cocoa and objective C. There
are some rules about the allowed number of services that can be started
too (as far as I know).

 If there will be an X2goClient for iPad in the future it will surely  
 need a distribution pathway. How would that work? (I am not at all  
 familiar with Macs, but may I bring up the question nonetheless?).

Maybe it is more realistic to combine one of the ajaxvnc solutions with
a virtual x2go display.

Regards,

Heinz
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