Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 24.09.2015 um 12:09 schrieb Mike Gabriel: > Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes > from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from > the PPAs. > > As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. > If anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are > two possibilities (at least). I don't see a reason why we should remove the packages that were already built. Not providing new packages, not caring about dependency issues etc., not providing security fixes, ... for unsupported distributions/releases is one thing, but deleting what already was there? Do we really have a good reason to annoy users like that (space constraints on our servers or something?)? Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository? Doesn't sound like a smart move to me ... If we're not limited by disk space or something similar, I would suggest moving such packages to a repo that is named -unsupported or -outdated or -archive. At least for the time that the main OS repository is still available somewhere, too (think snapshots.debian.org). - -Stefan X2Go Project/Community Coordinator - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWA83WAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZoGgIAKblBHrmbE7r4uSkjaUi9zi1 8kiwBT6vRSTgcm34Ch2wm9CLPidCWxk9/dN3VZLlULXQiOMUHN7pZhZjFlD3hxtF PSql90RhDWWpYTbwgqTP3IeJG02P7hbR5P68eGMDRpJyObMozl5QlhbU5c5VdIIQ ZP9NpKZwpIzATu1xAvBEks5L2Ud5hWmQo1BcQT1EZg9Z9au++FCq6jkwRTcxJQkR u170tHxDoL8bpjZ1Ixl67sGmtvxdOjT+OrQo4ATa/I/Q1gJ3QBaOZZAw/o0ya1fm VdZBWFLa0fh/vPbJxvqm4aJE2w4KAsiVtJDAo2LUqbIYFjZysJi8g26aHwORDwk= =GyxF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 24.09.2015 um 21:34 schrieb Mike Gabriel: > We don't want to provide old code for download containing known > bugs and security issues. I disagree with you here. As long as the repo is clearly tagged "archive", "unsupported", "outdated" or something similar, it should be made available. That way, people "in dire need" can download a copy from there and get their systems up and running again, but they're also made aware of the fact that this is not a supported, current release - with all the functionality, dependency and security hellholes it may bring. Unix is about freedom of possibilities - this includes the possibility to shoot yourself in the foot if you're not careful. >> Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported >> distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really >> want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the >> repository? > > I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have > man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios. This is not about support. This is simply about leaving things that were already available where they are (alright, mv'ing them to a slightly different location, but still, you get my point). People expect things to be there, especially if there's no previous announcement that a mass delete is about to happen. So, in short: Next time, when you perform such an action, please send out a "heads-up" message to x2go-project at least 2 weeks prior to taking action. If nobody steps up to mirror/move the repo, I will then notify x2go-dev and x2go-user. - -Stefan X2Go Project/Community Coordinator - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWBFLQAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZfzkH/1tbC9KGjqhnaesO6tUn7b8f pZoSr13Ew8sJq82iDg4kWm/EdmJC1DrSBrTa6f1WxzWkFVuCToI8+bMFXZMBnqqO UonkYUvliTF9wL1YlspfSLA3+X+myQGxESDwg+Ams1ZnVsnVZccq/lreWkQOuOhw y+83XrtzxyPoFmBg4UMLlPFLfryOnMnVQRRnfrXkj2x5F7wnOsjWAHZ54pMJNv7d sx3SHF2ILXsYsqANH69X49q6hMBpCoMJUfqYe4qGzC7tnPrHrRq8tv7EeE/2RDxY +p3whuR0+7nuakiWJ9ciPmbzfbawqusnOXRc/4LbylAEX1mumJ9yshju81m4mAI= =v03f -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Do you know approximately how much bandwidth the current repository eats? And how much such a repository might be likely to eat? -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgeable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 19:34:20 + From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de> To: Stefan Baur <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup Hi Stefan, On Do 24 Sep 2015 12:17:58 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote: Am 24.09.2015 um 12:09 schrieb Mike Gabriel: Actually, Robert got me correctly. I have removed the build recipes from X2Go's Launchpad configuration _and_ remove the packages from the PPAs. As a community project, we don't support non-support Linux distros. If anyone needs X2Go builds for old operating systems, there are two possibilities (at least). I don't see a reason why we should remove the packages that were already built. Not providing new packages, not caring about dependency issues etc., not providing security fixes, ... for unsupported distributions/releases is one thing, but deleting what already was there? Do we really have a good reason to annoy users like that (space constraints on our servers or something?)? There is a simple reason from the past. People more than once revealed severe issues in X2Go software and required dependencies (that we provided via Launchpad). We don't want to provide old code for download containing known bugs and security issues. Think of a user that is stuck with an unsupported distribution/release for some reason or other. Do you really want to punish that user for not keeping a local copy of the repository? I can think of them, but as a community project, we do neither have man power nor resources to support those non-supported scenarios. Doesn't sound like a smart move to me .. Not smart, maybe, but strict. I admit, we should have archives packages. Maybe someone from the devs should work on archived.x2go.org/. If we're not limited by disk space or something similar, I would suggest moving such packages to a repo that is named -unsupported or -outdated or -archive. At least for the time that the main OS repository is still available somewhere, too (think snapshots.debian.org). Indeed. Good point. To late for lucid now, but someone surely should work on such a concept and design a site for that. Greets, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Robert I don't think Mike's saying the old versions will dissappear just that "on launchpad" there would be a version built for Ubuntu 15.x brian On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Robert Dinse <nan...@eskimo.com> wrote: > > Wish you didn't have to remove the old, it's hard to tell a potential > customer they can't even try it without upgrading their OS. > > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- > Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. >Knowledgeable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. > See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874 > . > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote: > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:32:51 + >> From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de> >> To: x2go-...@lists.x2go.org >> Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org >> Subject: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup >> >> Hi all, >> >> on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for >> X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10. >> >> Builds are pending and should appear during the day. >> >> Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu >> versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) and >> Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic). >> >> light+love, >> Mike >> -- >> >> DAS-NETZWERKTEAM >> mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby >> fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 >> >> GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 >> mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de >> >> freeBusy: >> >> https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb >> > ___ > x2go-user mailing list > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user > ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Wish you didn't have to remove the old, it's hard to tell a potential customer they can't even try it without upgrading their OS. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgeable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Mike Gabriel wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:32:51 + From: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de> To: x2go-...@lists.x2go.org Cc: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: [X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup Hi all, on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10. Builds are pending and should appear during the day. Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) and Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic). light+love, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
[X2Go-User] Launchpad cleanup
Hi all, on request of the Ubuntu MATE team I have enabled automatic builds for X2Go packages for Ubuntu 15.10. Builds are pending and should appear during the day. Furthermore, I have removed packages for all non-supported Ubuntu versions from the X2Go PPAs (i.e., packages for Ubuntu 10.04 (lucid) and Ubuntu 14.10 (utopic). light+love, Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpqEYXNF_ELA.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
