Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (Crossposting/forwarding this to x2go-dev) Hi guys, judging from this user feedback, maybe we should change our terminology? Detach (German: Trennen) seems to be less misleading than Suspend (German: Anhalten). At least one of the closed-source, commercial players in the remote desktop field uses Trennen in its German client software, too. - -Stefan Am 17.09.2014 um 12:21 schrieb Martyn Welch: Ooh, this is embarrassing... On 16/09/14 15:41, Stefan Baur wrote: Am 16.09.2014 um 12:01 schrieb Martyn Welch: X2go is generally working well as a replacement (thanks guys!), however one complaint that I'm getting from users is that x2go suspends sessions on disconnect. Some users have graphical tools that they are kicking off to run long tasks and want to disconnect, leaving the task to complete (for example, over night) without needing the session to be maintained. This was the default behaviour in neatx and hence the behaviour that the users have come to expect (sessions wouldn't suspend on disconnect). Is there any mechanism built into x2go to achieve this? Are you sure your users actually tried that out and aren't just mislead by the expression suspend? In fact, it is more like detach. You detach the X2Go session, and the virtual screen on the server remains running, so you can re-attach at any time. I'd had a few guys independently raise this with me and hadn't actually tested it (it didn't seem unlikely and the suspend terminology made it seem plausible). A quick test running a loop in a terminal kinda proved that they were wrong... For anyone reading this in the archive, try: i=0; while [ 1 ]; do echo Count $i; let i=$i+1; sleep 1; done Leave running and disconnect, log back in after a while, you'll see the count has increased proportionally with the time that's past. (Or ssh in separately and watch the PID of the sleep command increment). Sorry for the noise. Martyn I think there was a piece of code that would let you renice sessions that were in a detached state, so they take up less CPU, but I'm not sure if that made it to a stable release yet. Mike#1 might know more. A full suspend, comparable to a laptop suspend/hibernate, is not something X2Go does. -Stefan ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGWHEAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZJSIH/j0hFsiIk7n6gnhZ8tltERFY fp9rLXdYt0u0kH/XXT+PRkTARBFlv5+Nk/Mopo3wl2ol5NCcecCsV/no/SP32mPY xpVLovzmUIvcbemKpgFL1n/lW79FViheqiEwhJ34kFGN6RCg/ZXvegG164YkGIHo YHSc7ZAqSYv3ePNtZO8H5Kb2YTnvwAkPygjgtlKr0qXIGhdd4dKfnknAcntdsELJ 8InJwVzpkB1uY846Xfm0wRY4tJk08uTIYF31AdRN3vSd8LZbMJkQW/2FzylC2k2P tN1CcJbOhCDKY5EKCIKutVmfEf3d5HxeixstUba3ryWd0vdbU71LDaWteLMLk3g= =8ixQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
Hi Stefan, On Mi 17 Sep 2014 12:26:12 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote: (Crossposting/forwarding this to x2go-dev) Hi guys, judging from this user feedback, maybe we should change our terminology? Detach (German: Trennen) seems to be less misleading than Suspend (German: Anhalten). At least one of the closed-source, commercial players in the remote desktop field uses Trennen in its German client software, too. - -Stefan do have an idea what a bunch of work this would be (code changes over code changes to do it properly)? Let us rather train people in our terminology. my 2¢ Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpCSM6MNaGSw.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2014 um 14:29 schrieb Mike Gabriel: Please also note that in X2Go Server 4.1.0.0 we will have a renice feature. Shouldn't this be made configurable, at least as a server-side global option? Some people might rely on their applications running at the same speed when detached. - -Stefan - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGX9EAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZTS0H/27SjNRYllwLClx4RRI8TqNO ZuwX2BNzYED35tdJ096vfiJL0YH21m00gBGY5F4PMRTo7v+aU5VDdxTVylUBU9Vs 2J/L/ptbTdA4DI3uKnE+mJJ+jSDCsun5Ag+USDkvStEPp3D73Z+dMtXtCDquLPnc 1oHuwNrlbi8y95v45zR0ox77dHt/aAjYPZL9pIfU2YHmfuvcZzA4Bc7N2RafGlOY jTlSTuPoZp4m8d8vR1vNEkPcvKk8qg/5wiSfH1zjFCy1wFJy44iZZKyfItH7ri/p kKcKwPl5wtb04Pimo270mZLbuF8pzIDaXngz4HTh0jiC70NXIwu/V7LUa5NU2hA= =9l9o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
Hi Stefan, On Mi 17 Sep 2014 14:32:04 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 14:29 schrieb Mike Gabriel: Please also note that in X2Go Server 4.1.0.0 we will have a renice feature. Shouldn't this be made configurable, at least as a server-side global option? Some people might rely on their applications running at the same speed when detached. Sure, it will be (and already is). I am still just simply pondering if it shall be on or off by default. Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpz1MQy80Duh.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Mike Gabriel: Please also note that in X2Go Server 4.1.0.0 we will have a renice feature. Shouldn't this be made configurable, at least as a server-side global option? Some people might rely on their applications running at the same speed when detached. Sure, it will be (and already is). I am still just simply pondering if it shall be on or off by default. For Debian/Ubuntu: On by default (assuming it's tested enough), and with a config question of sufficiently high priority that it *doesn't* install silently when the Debian/Ubuntu default configuration priority is set, and with a clear explanation what it does and where people should consider turning it off (batch jobs, number crunching, etc.). - -Stefan - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGYInAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZg/oIAKKOywWu/mOgxEgufKJBfu/1 Z8pksFRlei3OnkV1lh/KEwK9zj9oWu68IsxLT2TrSoxwQ4sx7NFrfqsT4PP2NXEd Of4d4Lmo9nNKBb6BBKEowwnKVQbD8VM8iP80bKNZeLOl85BbKm+CWYX7KPiNdZl6 15m1SCU9ZWG9Llx7IsDoZqVfVI94WxxsYd47oxu2dbyZdDenFWrJ7FxY1IuvxNeC wU9iMHUBt5u87U75KG2SqlefyaniwTGQ8TqPL5S1YBloDI9oLU6v7wH0yw5H5qsZ tzckJdyVkwMHOJqbngnF/7WqEhpoGvJOv6ib+d+IA/JDIDneEK4ezaPcKgR9o3M= =E6sO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
[X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
Hi All, I've been using x2go on a number of machines that we have remote users connect to for a while now. Before using x2go we were using neatx, but the development on that seems to have stalled and isn't available packaged for newer Linux distributions. X2go is generally working well as a replacement (thanks guys!), however one complaint that I'm getting from users is that x2go suspends sessions on disconnect. Some users have graphical tools that they are kicking off to run long tasks and want to disconnect, leaving the task to complete (for example, over night) without needing the session to be maintained. This was the default behaviour in neatx and hence the behaviour that the users have come to expect (sessions wouldn't suspend on disconnect). Is there any mechanism built into x2go to achieve this? Martyn -- Martyn Welch (Lead Software Engineer) | Registered in England and Wales GE Intelligent Platforms | (3828642) at 100 Barbirolli Square T +44(0)1327322748 | Manchester, M2 3AB E martyn.we...@ge.com | VAT:GB 927559189 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
Martyn Welch wrote: Hi All, I've been using x2go on a number of machines that we have remote users connect to for a while now. Before using x2go we were using neatx, but the development on that seems to have stalled and isn't available packaged for newer Linux distributions. X2go is generally working well as a replacement (thanks guys!), however one complaint that I'm getting from users is that x2go suspends sessions on disconnect. Some users have graphical tools that they are kicking off to run long tasks and want to disconnect, leaving the task to complete (for example, over night) without needing the session to be maintained. This was the default behaviour in neatx and hence the behaviour that the users have come to expect (sessions wouldn't suspend on disconnect). Is there any mechanism built into x2go to achieve this? Martyn suspend on disconnect?? I don't see this behavior. My client and server are both fedora-20 -- -- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Stopping a session from suspending on disconnect
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2014 um 12:01 schrieb Martyn Welch: X2go is generally working well as a replacement (thanks guys!), however one complaint that I'm getting from users is that x2go suspends sessions on disconnect. Some users have graphical tools that they are kicking off to run long tasks and want to disconnect, leaving the task to complete (for example, over night) without needing the session to be maintained. This was the default behaviour in neatx and hence the behaviour that the users have come to expect (sessions wouldn't suspend on disconnect). Is there any mechanism built into x2go to achieve this? Are you sure your users actually tried that out and aren't just mislead by the expression suspend? In fact, it is more like detach. You detach the X2Go session, and the virtual screen on the server remains running, so you can re-attach at any time. I think there was a piece of code that would let you renice sessions that were in a detached state, so they take up less CPU, but I'm not sure if that made it to a stable release yet. Mike#1 might know more. A full suspend, comparable to a laptop suspend/hibernate, is not something X2Go does. - -Stefan - -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGEwBAAoJEG7d9BjNvlEZBDEIAIGjoqu0M+TiW2TPXNb0RDVo pvSnxdhv/rO1byEb7QDPCylqZb8Ay12NhmNAIE0IQk01sm/Zw4cUOSm0ZI9oq7+B +8S4WgtSytRqtlUDTeyCIltVL6zRKVWWzmX58zzdN0o7DoDRVYpTlIg8GAjAFx+B hWLY5y9OrwkLZpWj7qbvRSBXKIZTZxu82e83Q42VCTaGBD5nngsNJzIUpKHGb8ax VIr4WCf8Fd9e/1T/ewwN5q1pzx9kmzGlBEXww4si0hSQQag0r3WlEN7vX/yVhnSy 28zsIx/9iSG+Y8Xin9M4ePHA7H2EOg/ZBKF6K2YUIpb7uHl29PNS0DjVS8JxC6w= =NrzN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org http://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
