[Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
Hello to the list! I'm new to xastir but am loving what I see so far (or can see). I've searched back through the list archives, READMEs, FAQ, etc but don't know if I missed a workaround for this or not. I started by just installing xastir 1.90 binary from the Ubuntu repos but immediately ran into a problem with some of the menu dialogs. The dialog opens as a tiny bullet-shaped window with no handles to enlarge and right-click only allows me to close, move, etc but not resize or maximize. Decided that I would uninstall 1.90, remove the .xastir subdir under my home dir, and start over following the Ubuntu 8.04 instructions in the wiki. Followed those to the letter and built xastir 1.95 from source. Unfortunately, the problem remains. I'm using lesstif and it appears that openmotif is not an option (at least using the Ubuntu 8.04 repos). I was finally able to get to the Add Interface dialog to add an internet server interface but it required moving the interface dialog to the far right side of the main window before opening the interface control submenu. I haven't been successful opening the Station-Track Station item yet though and assume I'll keep running into this null-sized dialog box problem for other features. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Keith, KF7DRV ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Keith Williamson wrote: Hello to the list! I'm new to xastir but am loving what I see so far (or can see). I've searched back through the list archives, READMEs, FAQ, etc but don't know if I missed a workaround for this or not. I started by just installing xastir 1.90 binary from the Ubuntu repos but immediately ran into a problem with some of the menu dialogs. The dialog opens as a tiny bullet-shaped window with no handles to enlarge and right-click only allows me to close, move, etc but not resize or maximize. Do a Google search through the Xastir list archives looking for cigar or cigar-shaped. As I recall this was a window manager setting having to do with special effects or something (compiz perhaps?) that had to be switched off. I don't run those window managers so don't run into that problem. I believe other Motif-based programs have similar problems with that window manager setting. -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tom Russo wrote: This *really* needs to be in the FAQ and README. Perhaps also a Wiki page. I see the FAQ under Older Docs, which is probably not a good sign. It'd be great to link that directly to the CVS Browse link for the _current_ version of the FAQ, do the same for the others in that category which apply, then rename that category. This bit about compiz could probably go in the Xastir Manual wiki page under a new Problems chapter or some-such too. Tom: If you don't mind I'll add some of your words below to a few docs using the Johnny Appleseed approach (sprinkling it liberally everywhere). The issue is the interaction between Motif and compiz, which in some versions of Ubuntu is turned on and off with a Desktop Effects menu item. They made the default on several releases ago. Compiz is what enables eye-candy effects like animated window opening/closing, 3-d effects, and so forth. I don't know if there is any solution other than turning off those effects. Does anyone know if this is a Gnome window manager specific problem? Can it happen in KDE or in other window managers as well? I know it doesn't happen in FVWM2... -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:47:03AM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the arc...@eskimo.com flavor, containing: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tom Russo wrote: This *really* needs to be in the FAQ and README. This bit about compiz could probably go in the Xastir Manual wiki page under a new Problems chapter or some-such too. We have a FAQ in the source tree, and it's installed by make install, the info should be there, too. Tom: If you don't mind I'll add some of your words below to a few docs using the Johnny Appleseed approach (sprinkling it liberally everywhere). The issue is the interaction between Motif and compiz, which in some versions of Ubuntu is turned on and off with a Desktop Effects menu item. They made the default on several releases ago. Compiz is what enables eye-candy effects like animated window opening/closing, 3-d effects, and so forth. I don't know if there is any solution other than turning off those effects. Does anyone know if this is a Gnome window manager specific problem? Can it happen in KDE or in other window managers as well? I know it doesn't happen in FVWM2... Do you run compiz with fvwm2? I don't think that works. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM In some cultures what I do would be considered normal. -- Ineffective daily affirmation ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:49:51AM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the ru...@bogodyn.org flavor, containing: Does anyone know if this is a Gnome window manager specific problem? Can it happen in KDE or in other window managers as well? I know it doesn't happen in FVWM2... Do you run compiz with fvwm2? I don't think that works. On investigating, I see that compiz is itself a window manager. Gnome is not a window manager, but a desktop environment that includes a window manager that can be (apparently) replaced with Compiz. So one can't run compiz with fvwm2 because they serve the same purpose. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM In some cultures what I do would be considered normal. -- Ineffective daily affirmation ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tom Russo wrote: We have a FAQ in the source tree, and it's installed by make install, the info should be there, too. That's the first place I'm adding it! Probably not the first place a lot of people will look though. Do you run compiz with fvwm2? I don't think that works. No idea. I like my boxes simple/fast, which is why I run FVWM2. I don't need fancy effects. Heck, I still use pine and vim! I'm growing into the Unix curmudeon role... One app at a time. Ok to use your words explaining the issue Tom? -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:00:54AM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the ru...@bogodyn.org flavor, containing: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:51:28AM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the arc...@eskimo.com flavor, containing: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Keith Williamson wrote: Hello to the list! I'm new to xastir but am loving what I see so far (or can see). I've searched back through the list archives, READMEs, FAQ, etc but don't know if I missed a workaround for this or not. I started by just installing xastir 1.90 binary from the Ubuntu repos but immediately ran into a problem with some of the menu dialogs. The dialog opens as a tiny bullet-shaped window with no handles to enlarge and right-click only allows me to close, move, etc but not resize or maximize. Do a Google search through the Xastir list archives looking for cigar or cigar-shaped. As I recall this was a window manager setting having to do with special effects or something (compiz perhaps?) that had to be switched off. I don't run those window managers so don't run into that problem. I believe other Motif-based programs have similar problems with that window manager setting. This *really* needs to be in the FAQ and README. The issue is the interaction between Motif and compiz, which in some versions of Ubuntu is turned on and off with a Desktop Effects menu item. They made the default on several releases ago. Compiz is what enables eye-candy effects like animated window opening/closing, 3-d effects, and so forth. I don't know if there is any solution other than turning off those effects. Here's an interesting tidbit about another application with this problem. A workaround is posted in the second message of the thread: http://markmail.org/message/uj6ldlmj3hzu265j#query:compiz motif+page:1+mid:uj6ldlmj3hzu265j+state:results Obviously, nedit* would have to be replaced with Xastir's X resource name. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM In some cultures what I do would be considered normal. -- Ineffective daily affirmation ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:56:17AM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the arc...@eskimo.com flavor, containing: Do you run compiz with fvwm2? I don't think that works. No idea. I like my boxes simple/fast, which is why I run FVWM2. I don't need fancy effects. Heck, I still use pine and vim! I'm growing into the Unix curmudeon role... One app at a time. Word, I hear you. I run FVWM2 on my BSD boxen. I only run Gnome on the Ubuntu laptop, and it works OK as long as I don't gum it up with too much eye candy. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM In some cultures what I do would be considered normal. -- Ineffective daily affirmation ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Curt, WE7U wrote:
As you mentioned we'd replace nedit with Xastir's resource name.
This should be specified in the Xastir code instead of in .Xdefaults
so people wouldn't have to deal with it.
We can add MinWidth/MinHeight to each dialog with the problem,
XmNminWidth and XmNminHeight.
or
probably specify defaults at the top of main.c:main() in the big
string containing other defaults, something like:
*MinWidth: 200\n\
*MinHeight: 100\n,
Found an example which shows:
static String fallback\_resources[] = {
*width: 300,
*heigth: 400,
NULL /* NULL termination}
};
So I think we need:
*minWidth: 200\n,
*minHeight: 100\n,
In our Fallback Resources string in main.c:main().
If someone would be so kind as to try the latest CVS with compiz
enabled on a box that exhibits the problem... Let us know if this
fixes it.
--
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Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On 8/12/09, Curt, WE7U arc...@eskimo.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tom Russo wrote: This *really* needs to be in the FAQ and README. Perhaps also a Wiki page. I see the FAQ under Older Docs, which is probably not a good sign. It'd be great to link that directly to the CVS Browse link for the _current_ version of the FAQ, do the same for the others in that category which apply, then rename that category. This bit about compiz could probably go in the Xastir Manual wiki page under a new Problems chapter or some-such too. Tom: If you don't mind I'll add some of your words below to a few docs using the Johnny Appleseed approach (sprinkling it liberally everywhere). The issue is the interaction between Motif and compiz, which in some versions of Ubuntu is turned on and off with a Desktop Effects menu item. They made the default on several releases ago. Compiz is what enables eye-candy effects like animated window opening/closing, 3-d effects, and so forth. I don't know if there is any solution other than turning off those effects. Does anyone know if this is a Gnome window manager specific problem? Can it happen in KDE or in other window managers as well? I know it doesn't happen in FVWM2... In reasonably recent experiences with Compiz effects enabled in Kubuntu, Mandriva, and Mepis, I did not see this problem in KDE. I have only seen it in Gnome. Lee - K5DAT Murphy, TX ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Curt, WE7U wrote: So I think we need: *minWidth: 200\n, *minHeight: 100\n, In our Fallback Resources string in main.c:main(). If someone would be so kind as to try the latest CVS with compiz enabled on a box that exhibits the problem... Let us know if this fixes it. I should have mentioned that I committed the above tweak to CVS. Prove that the problem exists (under Gnome/compiz it appears), then: cvs update sudo make install And try it again. -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] NetworkManager, was Re: Unuseable tiny dialog boxes on Aspire One under Ubuntu 8.04
On 8/12/09, Curt, WE7U arc...@eskimo.com wrote: Recently I revisited the issue and found I could run KTray from my FVWM2 startup so that the docking apps could dock. I now auto-start NetworkManager and knetworkmanager when I log in and have all the functionality to switch networks without the overhead of Gnome or KDE. It's a brave new world! I don't know if wicd is available in the SuSE repo's, but in the Debian/Ubuntu world, it's readily available and is typically what is used to manage wireless connections when lightweight window managers are used like Fluxbox and Openbox. Installing it in Kubuntu is also a nice way around the KDE Wallet password entry for wireless connections that is implemented by default. I think wicd can be installed in Gnome to avoid the default keyring as well, but I haven't tried that yet. Lee - K5DAT Murphy, TX ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] Embedded spaces in object/item names
A thread just went by on APRSSIG regarding embedded spaces in object names. Evidently Bob B. is changing or just changed the 1.2 spec to disallow them (per message from Steve Dimse). We need to change our code for creating/modifying objects/items to disallow them if we wish to comply with that part of the spec. So far this is just a note. -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Embedded spaces in object/item names
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tom Russo wrote: So far this is just a note. The debate rages. I wouldn't make any code changes until the dust settles. Agreed. I personally thing the embedded spaces should remain. Trailing spaces is a don't care. -- Curt, WE7U. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer APRS: Where it's at!http://www.xastir.org Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system! ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
