Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 13:10 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: snip Upper mentioned line should be a line from table: Proposed secondary category Desktop, which can be used for primary categories Utility, Settings or System. Proposed Service category would be useful for it as well. Having new primary category Service would be very useful also for thing like gnome-bluetooth OBEX server, vino,... The Bluetooth OBEX server shouldn't even show up in the menus, and will be removed as soon as bluez-gnome has a replacement for it. -- Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 15:59 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: Rodney Dawes wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 13:10 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: Rodney Dawes wrote: This would also solve the Accessibility issue that Stanislav brought up in his mail, wanting a category for something that provides an additional service, but isn't a standalone app 'window'. It still does not solve the problem, which secondary category fits the application (Service), which simply makes desktop more usable. makes desktop more usable is a subjective measurement, in this example, not objective. I want Utility;Desktop, not Prettification. Something targeted to desktop itself. Want to use it for what? So far nobody has explained what exactly the category needs to be used for. You've just declared a need for a different category. Makes desktop more usable or application which helps to organize windows is maybe a subjective measurement. But please show me to a correct secondary category for it in the current specs. Tell me what I am trying to describe, and I will describe it. :) On top of the secondary categories, we also have the reserved categories for Screensaver, TrayIcon, and Applet to use. These probably all fit the type of apps you want to have a new special Prettification category for. It is not Screensaver, TrayIcon nor Applet. What isn't? Desktop Widgets as used by dashboard/gdesklets/karamba are all applets. They are just desktop applets, as opposed to panel, or java applets. -- dobey ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 13:10 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: Rodney Dawes wrote: This would also solve the Accessibility issue that Stanislav brought up in his mail, wanting a category for something that provides an additional service, but isn't a standalone app 'window'. It still does not solve the problem, which secondary category fits the application (Service), which simply makes desktop more usable. makes desktop more usable is a subjective measurement, in this example, not objective. The secondary category for a Service would be related to the service it provides. For example, an OBEX FTP service should have FileTransfer as an additional category. Vino would have RemoteAccess. I don't think having additional categories for subjective metrics such as makes *my* desktop prettier for *me* is appropriate for a standardized specification. On top of the secondary categories, we also have the reserved categories for Screensaver, TrayIcon, and Applet to use. These probably all fit the type of apps you want to have a new special Prettification category for. -- dobey ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
Rodney Dawes wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 17:53 +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: * Vincent Untz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070809 10:53]: | Desktop | Desktop management | Utility, Settings or System | Hrm. I'm wondering if Core would be enough for what you want. Nope :( I need a primary and a secondary category otherwise the .desktop file isn't accepted. How would adding a new secondary category solve your problem here? Utility, Settings, and System are all primary categories. Perhaps we need a Service category for things like this, which are really some type of desktop service. Upper mentioned line should be a line from table: Proposed secondary category Desktop, which can be used for primary categories Utility, Settings or System. Proposed Service category would be useful for it as well. Having new primary category Service would be very useful also for thing like gnome-bluetooth OBEX server, vino,... This would also solve the Accessibility issue that Stanislav brought up in his mail, wanting a category for something that provides an additional service, but isn't a standalone app 'window'. It still does not solve the problem, which secondary category fits the application (Service), which simply makes desktop more usable. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarská 1060/12tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz/ ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
Le mercredi 08 août 2007, à 17:11 +0200, Philipp Thomas a écrit : I need categories for a dock type application and its settings tool and non of the available ones seem to fit. After discussing this with a collegue, I'd like to follow his ideas and propose the following: 1) deprecate DesktopSettings in favor of Desktop;Settings 2) add Desktop: | Desktop | Desktop management | Utility, Settings or System | Hrm. I'm wondering if Core would be enough for what you want. 3) Be more exact about Accessibility Can you elaborate? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
* Vincent Untz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070809 10:53]: | Desktop | Desktop management | Utility, Settings or System | Hrm. I'm wondering if Core would be enough for what you want. Nope :( I need a primary and a secondary category otherwise the .desktop file isn't accepted. 3) Be more exact about Accessibility Can you elaborate? :-) I'd have to ask myself :) Be back when I've cleared up that point. Philipp ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
Philipp Thomas wrote: 3) Be more exact about Accessibility Can you elaborate? :-) I'd have to ask myself :) Be back when I've cleared up that point. Spec does not say, whether Accessibility means Tools for impaired persons, or it is mentioned as Tools for better access to desktop in general. If first is valid, we need category for Tools for better access to desktop (i. e. desktop widgets etc.). If second one is valid, then any desktop gadgets are Accessibility as well. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarská 1060/12tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz/ ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
Dock as in WM dock/system tray? or Dock as in desktop widget/gadget/whatever? -- dobey On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 17:11 +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: I need categories for a dock type application and its settings tool and non of the available ones seem to fit. After discussing this with a collegue, I'd like to follow his ideas and propose the following: 1) deprecate DesktopSettings in favor of Desktop;Settings 2) add Desktop: | Desktop | Desktop management | Utility, Settings or System | 3) Be more exact about Accessibility ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 21:31 +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: * Rodney Dawes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070808 20:48]: Dock as in WM dock/system tray? or Dock as in desktop widget/gadget/whatever? I'd say more of the latter: I'm talking about Avant Window Navigator https://launchpad.net/awn . The .desktop file it supplies is rejected by our build system because the categories it uses don't conform to the xdg spec. That is what X- was invented for ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
Re: Category for a desktop tool needed
* Matthias Clasen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070808 21:36]: That is what X- was invented for Maybe that's the way to go in the end. But why not discuss first what I proposed? If the spec is lacking, why not try to fix it instead of using workarounds? Using X- only means that instead of discussing here I'll have to do it in-house and it also means that each distribution is likely to have it's own set of categories that don't match what the others are using. Philipp ___ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
