mapping of minimized windows
Hi, Why I am here: I'm new to the mailing list, so please excuse potential naivety. I filed a bugreport against xorg package in Ubuntu on Launchpad* and have been told that the problem is upstream and I have to ask the xorg team in their mailing list, here I am. What I am here for: I am using standard Ubuntu desktop (10.04) with Desktop effects (Compiz Fusion). First, when using ALT-TAB to switch between windows I can only see an icons instead of window previews when toggling over minimized windows (bugreport**). Second, when using the Scale plugin*** (WIN-key aka SUPER+A or W; extra desktop effects have to be enabled), which is similar to the Exposé effect on Mac OS X, I can only see windows that are avitve (i.e. not minimized), there is not even an icon replacing the missing running application that are minimized, minimized applications/windows don't even show up. As I understand this is not a bug, but more or less by design, because minimized windows are not mapped anymore. However it is a usability bug when using ALT-TAB or the Scale Plugin with the Desktop Effects. Thanks in advance for any replies, Florian * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/566896 ** https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/402821 *** http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Scale ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: mapping of minimized windows
On Fre, 2010-04-23 at 11:22 +0200, Florian Martys wrote: Why I am here: I'm new to the mailing list, so please excuse potential naivety. I filed a bugreport against xorg package in Ubuntu on Launchpad* and have been told that the problem is upstream and I have to ask the xorg team in their mailing list, here I am. What I am here for: I am using standard Ubuntu desktop (10.04) with Desktop effects (Compiz Fusion). First, when using ALT-TAB to switch between windows I can only see an icons instead of window previews when toggling over minimized windows (bugreport**). Second, when using the Scale plugin*** (WIN-key aka SUPER+A or W; extra desktop effects have to be enabled), which is similar to the Exposé effect on Mac OS X, I can only see windows that are avitve (i.e. not minimized), there is not even an icon replacing the missing running application that are minimized, minimized applications/windows don't even show up. As I understand this is not a bug, but more or less by design, because minimized windows are not mapped anymore. However it is a usability bug when using ALT-TAB or the Scale Plugin with the Desktop Effects. It's up to compiz. It could (optionally) either not unmap minimized windows or just keep the last pixmap for them. I think it would have to be optional because in both cases minimized windows would use up more resources than before. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer |http://www.vmware.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Fwd: mapping of minimized windows
-- Forwarded message -- From: Florian Martys florian.mar...@gmail.com Date: 2010/4/23 Subject: Re: mapping of minimized windows To: Michel Dänzer mic...@daenzer.net Thank you for your answer, Michel! Although not being a developer, from what I read so far everything points towards X being the upstream part responsible for this issue... Leaving the Scale Plugin aside, the ALT-TAB behaviour can't be a Compiz issue, right? As far as I understand you, you don't want map minimized windows yourself (in X) because of higher ressources needed? Well, don't you agree at all it is a usability bug and there has to be done something about it? Any ideas how to minimize the ressources needed? For instance by not constantly refreshing minimized windows like you do it with active windows, couldn't you save a lot of ressources by just saving a screenshot (probably what you meant with the last pixmap anyway)? 2010/4/23 Michel Dänzer mic...@daenzer.net: On Fre, 2010-04-23 at 11:22 +0200, Florian Martys wrote: Why I am here: I'm new to the mailing list, so please excuse potential naivety. I filed a bugreport against xorg package in Ubuntu on Launchpad* and have been told that the problem is upstream and I have to ask the xorg team in their mailing list, here I am. What I am here for: I am using standard Ubuntu desktop (10.04) with Desktop effects (Compiz Fusion). First, when using ALT-TAB to switch between windows I can only see an icons instead of window previews when toggling over minimized windows (bugreport**). Second, when using the Scale plugin*** (WIN-key aka SUPER+A or W; extra desktop effects have to be enabled), which is similar to the Exposé effect on Mac OS X, I can only see windows that are avitve (i.e. not minimized), there is not even an icon replacing the missing running application that are minimized, minimized applications/windows don't even show up. As I understand this is not a bug, but more or less by design, because minimized windows are not mapped anymore. However it is a usability bug when using ALT-TAB or the Scale Plugin with the Desktop Effects. It's up to compiz. It could (optionally) either not unmap minimized windows or just keep the last pixmap for them. I think it would have to be optional because in both cases minimized windows would use up more resources than before. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://www.vmware.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Fwd: mapping of minimized windows
On Fre, 2010-04-23 at 11:41 +0200, Florian Martys wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Florian Martys florian.mar...@gmail.com Date: 2010/4/23 Subject: Re: mapping of minimized windows To: Michel Dänzer mic...@daenzer.net Thank you for your answer, Michel! Although not being a developer, from what I read so far everything points towards X being the upstream part responsible for this issue... No, 'minimized windows' is entirely a window manager concept. Leaving the Scale Plugin aside, the ALT-TAB behaviour can't be a Compiz issue, right? As far as I understand you, you don't want map minimized windows yourself (in X) because of higher ressources needed? Well, don't you agree at all it is a usability bug and there has to be done something about it? Any ideas how to minimize the ressources needed? For instance by not constantly refreshing minimized windows like you do it with active windows, couldn't you save a lot of ressources by just saving a screenshot (probably what you meant with the last pixmap anyway)? Exactly. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer |http://www.vmware.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Fwd: mapping of minimized windows
Ok, Thank you for your help! 2010/4/23 Michel Dänzer mic...@daenzer.net: On Fre, 2010-04-23 at 11:41 +0200, Florian Martys wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Florian Martys florian.mar...@gmail.com Date: 2010/4/23 Subject: Re: mapping of minimized windows To: Michel Dänzer mic...@daenzer.net Thank you for your answer, Michel! Although not being a developer, from what I read so far everything points towards X being the upstream part responsible for this issue... No, 'minimized windows' is entirely a window manager concept. Leaving the Scale Plugin aside, the ALT-TAB behaviour can't be a Compiz issue, right? As far as I understand you, you don't want map minimized windows yourself (in X) because of higher ressources needed? Well, don't you agree at all it is a usability bug and there has to be done something about it? Any ideas how to minimize the ressources needed? For instance by not constantly refreshing minimized windows like you do it with active windows, couldn't you save a lot of ressources by just saving a screenshot (probably what you meant with the last pixmap anyway)? Exactly. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://www.vmware.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Thomas Birke
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Current tinderbox regression (libXcb)
http://tinderbox.x.org/builds/2010-04-24-0002/logs/libxcb/#build xcb_util.c:31:27: error: sys/syslimits.h: No such file or directory xcb_util.c: In function '_xcb_open': xcb_util.c:148: error: 'PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xcb/libxcb/commit/?id=89b3485dadef47a30264a5bf150b96522183376b (I think that sys/syslimits.h is Darwin-specific, and limits.h is correct for Linux/POSIX.) -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
