Re: X lib support for embedded systems.
Twas brillig at 08:13:29 11.08.2010 UTC+02 when curi...@bwv190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl did gyre and gimble: PGS what facts do you need ? try tools like qpkg, ls -lha and PGS calculator on your own systems. Desktop X.org? Are you joking? PGS also try to run Xorg on anything with 32/64M ram PGS and see how much memory it consumes. Well, I do every day. Works pretty much fine. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpctPKr4qTFe.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: X lib support for embedded systems.
Twas brillig at 08:54:20 11.08.2010 UTC+02 when curi...@bwv190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl did gyre and gimble: PGS well, it all depends what u call 'fine' PGS if it's 'managed to boot up, took half of memory and runs @ 5fps' PGS then sure ;) PGS btw quick mem check on one of my uclibc based machines : PGS top memory consuming app: Xorg PGS 45M resident (!) , 329M virtual. apps opened - xchat, few windows with PGS links browser, few terminal windows, xastir . wm - fluxbox. Are you still talking about *embedded* systems? -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgp8qMkzCBEQ2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: X lib support for embedded systems.
Twas brillig at 06:49:01 11.08.2010 UTC+02 when curi...@bwv190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl did gyre and gimble: PGS i also recall long gone times when i could build 3.3.6 XFree which PGS would run on 486 with 8M of ram , and squash the (static!) binary PGS to just 2M. perhaps with uclibc this could be even smaller. PGS main problem those times are long gone :/ numbers like 20M start PGS to appear, and Xorg is not really optimised for embedded devices PGS performance-wise. Those are sentiments. Do you have hard facts to prove your point? -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpMvM1TyqQdG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: libXfont 1.4.2 build issue
Twas brillig at 11:46:12 25.06.2010 UTC+02 when wha...@bfs.de did gyre and gimble: wh please do not drop txt support. txt is much more accessable/processable that wh html. txt can always be read without special tools. lynx -dump -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpAEYzug2pb0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: ANN luit 20100601
Twas brillig at 17:31:19 01.06.2010 UTC-04 when dic...@his.com did gyre and gimble: Is this a fork of http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/luit ? If so, what's the purpose of the fork? Licensing differences? TD I forked it 4 years ago because (a) fdo has been distributing versions that TD don't work, and (b) because it impacts my own work. TD (the situation hasn't improved, as you may have noticed) Because nobody works on it (beside mechanical cleanups). Why didn't you take over fd.o version instead of forking? Hint: it isn't late to do it. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpJVMwLSGDc7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: ANN luit 20100601
Twas brillig at 18:06:21 01.06.2010 UTC-04 when dic...@his.com did gyre and gimble: Is this a fork of http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/luit ? If so, what's the purpose of the fork? Licensing differences? TD I forked it 4 years ago because (a) fdo has been distributing versions that TD don't work, and (b) because it impacts my own work. TD (the situation hasn't improved, as you may have noticed) Because nobody works on it (beside mechanical cleanups). Why didn't you take over fd.o version instead of forking? TD I read comments on the mailing list, and disregard those from TD people who tend to make derogatory comments. If you mean me, say so directly. I'm not a native speaker, so I may have accidentally said something which sounds derogatory. luit on fd.o did not have any developments for a 4 years beside cleanups. You have forked it approximately at the same time and developed it separately instead of applying for fd.o account and developing it as a part of fd.o. Are there any technical reasons for this? -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpTbdlO5dEiO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: suggestions about 2d accelerating X/Xfbdev
Twas brillig at 18:22:42 19.04.2010 UTC+02 when xenogen...@virgilio.it did gyre and gimble: A Currently I'm planning to accelerate Xfbdev using A KdCardFuncs/initAccel family , something like ephyr code does where A fake exa. Instead, if I've seen correctly, with X should be used A DGAFunctionRec on a new driver. The better long-term idea is to avoid Xfbdev and use Xfree86 + new driver, based on fbdev. There were measurements of memory usage by Xfbdev and Xfree86 recently, the difference is small (~1.5Mb of RAM). And better, this gap shrinks, as there is work underway in Xfree86 to make it consume less memory. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpHX10kpffGI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: a bug of kdrive
Twas brillig at 19:13:14 02.04.2010 UTC+08 when largep...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: xl In xorg-server-1.7.1/hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c, on line of 895: xl ki-maxScanCode = 0; . Both the minScanCode and the maxScanCode xl are set to be zero. So on line of 1880, the program will give a xl error message driver %d wanted to post scancode %d outside of [0, xl 0]!. Those values are overriden in specific input drivers. E.g. the following fix has been recently applied to evdev.c: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=e086b99c1f5ce351b578de7cd9f616bc79d6cf64 xl It is my first send e-mail to this mail-list. I wish have a reply. You've got it :) -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgp4IaUgeEJTt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Building intel driver: where's xcb-aux?
Twas brillig at 07:09:46 02.04.2010 UTC-07 when y...@seiner.com did gyre and gimble: YS However, git.freedisktop.git doesn't seem to know anything about xcb-aux xcb-util -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpe6q6O14PBP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Problems with X.org and incompatibilities with in-house software
Twas brillig at 19:05:25 28.02.2010 UTC-05 when rbrown1...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: RB So of these disabled, removed extensions. How many of these are RB disabled as a result of actual broken code, vs, how many are RB disabled because, we don't like how it looks? Most of them were removed because they were broken for years (literally) and nobody complained. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpjeBlsNviHB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Xephyr + wacom
Twas brillig at 19:26:34 12.02.2010 UTC+00 when y...@seiner.com did gyre and gimble: YS I'm also having an issue with Xephyr logging. I get no logs at all YS (Xorg.N.log is never created). They all are discarded (see comment before OsInit in os/osinit.c and code of VendorOsInit in hw/kdrive/ephyr/ephyrinit.c). -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpcjkStRdz0h.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Xephyr + wacom
Twas brillig at 11:33:46 12.02.2010 UTC-08 when alan.coopersm...@sun.com did gyre and gimble: AC Xephyr is not Xorg. Xephyr is not Xfree86, I'd say. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgp7glIGNq7sb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Xephyr keyboard problem
Twas brillig at 19:25:32 10.02.2010 UTC+01 when uzleep...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: Don't do this, you'll get all input from /dev/input/event3. Try -keybd evdev,,,xkbmodel=evdev (without device=) instead. NE Yes, exactly that's my problem. I get all the keystrokes, no NE matter the focus is in the Xephyr window or not. If I try the same NE without the device=... part, as You suggested, then the keyboard NE is absolutely not working in the Xepyr window. :( Ah, it should be -keybd ephyr,,,xkbmodel=evdev -- did not test it though. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgph0PYzWT3LT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Xephyr keyboard problem
Twas brillig at 20:22:18 09.02.2010 UTC+01 when uzleep...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: NEXephyr :1 -keybd evdev,,device=/dev/input/event3,xkbmodel=evdev Don't do this, you'll get all input from /dev/input/event3. Try -keybd evdev,,,xkbmodel=evdev (without device=) instead. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpRBqWHYRCqQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: X11 fullscreen
Twas brillig at 23:29:43 29.01.2010 UTC+11 when rjs...@netspace.net.au did gyre and gimble: RS xcb is designed to preserve the Xlib api. I prefer to architect RS things completely new and efficient. Laughed out loud. Sorry, could not resist it. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpgzhMwqp1kG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Twas brillig at 13:23:00 07.01.2010 UTC-05 when a...@nwnk.net did gyre and gimble: Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features would you need? I would prefer a tool not gnome-dependent, as a _Fluxbox_only_ Slackware user ;) AJ So you don't want to use a toolkit, but you want the features a AJ toolkit gives you. Life is hard, isn't it. Hey. GNOME is not a toolkit, it's a DE. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpcmUcBkAzs7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Nightly builds?
Twas brillig at 19:34:33 05.11.2009 UTC-08 when alan.coopersm...@sun.com did gyre and gimble: 1. Nightly builds. Did wonders for Mozilla. Binary of main supported architectures (linux/i386, opensolaris, whatever someone will be able to commit to build nightly). Download and run. Report bugs. AC Already done, but much more often than just once a night: AC http://tinderbox.freedesktop.org/ I think what David wants is nightly builds which produce binaries to be downloadable and testable by users. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpBeoWstcOUI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: building of xrandr against uClibc
Twas brillig at 13:04:37 03.11.2009 UTC-05 when a...@nwnk.net did gyre and
gimble:
AJ Pretty sure this is a uclibc header bug. glibc has exactly the
AJ same definitions in bits/sched.h and does not have this problem.
AJ Which I already said the last time this was brought up:
#include sched.h
typedef enum baz {
clone
} baz_baz;
does not compile.
Looks like in uClibc setup some of headers indirectly include sched.h
(I don't have working uClibc-based build environment right now to test
it).
Error can be easily reproduced with glibc by adding #include sched.h
to the xrandr.c
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Re: Monochrome framebuffer driver
Twas brillig at 21:56:15 29.10.2009 UTC+01 when super.firetwis...@googlemail.com did gyre and gimble: MB What's the right way of implementing a monochrome framebuffer MB driver? Using 8bpp with fbdev and do the mapping in the kernel, or MB write an x driver? 8bpp and mapping in kernel for OpenInkpot (e-Ink stuff), works fine so far (modulo latency issues with e-Ink). -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpLbRLue6ene.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Radical idea for X-modmap problem.
Twas brillig at 16:56:51 28.07.2009 UTC-07 when w41...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: w I'm wondering about the connection from terminal to server, and how w much bandwidth would be typical for such a setting. (I'm assuming w that college students would spent substantial time watching X-rated w videos on their X-terminals ;-) Have a look at network requirements of LTSP: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#tc-hardware -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpiD09T51pYL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Documentation?
Twas brillig at 09:31:01 09.04.2009 UTC-04 when j...@freedesktop.org did gyre and gimble: JG So the X11 core font design is fundamentally a mistake, which we JG fixed. Given this topic resurfaced again, I'd like to ask the related question: core X fonts had the feature of being controlled by server settings (XRDB), so applications did ajust the fonts according to the per-display preferences (given the XRDB settings for the each display were set correctly), so it was possible to have radically different fonts on tiny LCD screen on netbook and hude 2m-sized display, not limited to recalculating size due to different DPI. Is there equivalent functionality with Xft? And whose responsibility it is now, if this functionality is not here: applications, toolkits or something else? -- pgp4DC3HTR49v.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Documentation?
Twas brillig at 10:00:44 09.04.2009 UTC-04 when beh...@behdad.org did gyre and gimble: BE Xft and cairo have (shared) XRDB keys for antialiasing and other BE stuff, but not dpi. GTK+ uses XSETTINGS for those as well as DPI, BE and those are per-screen. gnome-settings-daemon populates them BE based on user's preferences stored in gconf. Well, I meant something more radical. Use Terminus-8, without AA for this notebook, and RFX Courier-16, AA, fully-hinted for this big screen. -- pgpt6ccNfHSMF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Does xcb really need python?
Twas brillig at 12:36:03 16.03.2009 UTC-07 when dbn.li...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: DN Is the C platform-independent? Maybe we could add get it in dist? DN Just drop all the nodist_ from src/Makefile.am. I think that would DN be really nice to not require python while bootstrapping X. [points at commit 2e65188f91800d7e6a8d74fa077b46f8f67b6893] -- pgpzkdLCNSUaD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Does xcb really need python?
Twas brillig at 07:48:40 15.03.2009 UTC+00 when dave+gm...@wuertele.com did gyre and gimble: DW I don't need the python bindings. I just want to build a server DW that works Can I disable the python features of libxcb-1.1.92 or DW newer? The feature is the code generator. You can't disable it. Previously pregenerated code was distributed alongside the .xml protocol definitions, but was removed due to little practical value (yep, you seem to have environment in which it was practical). DW What's the solution? Pre-generate the code on the one computer (HINT: python runs just fine From $HOME), package the results to the tarball and use it. -- pgpdg7QVeRUkV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Google / X.Org Summer of Code 2009: Ideas Wanted
Twas brillig at 11:55:14 13.03.2009 UTC-07 when dbn.li...@gmail.com did gyre and gimble: DN If anyone wants any more details on what I've been doing there, let DN me know. I'm interested. xkbcomp(1) seems to be the only thing which pulls Xlib to the distro I work on. -- pgpHkzQLgGSpb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: very slow performance of glxgears (68 fps)
Twas brillig at 09:44:35 19.02.2009 UTC-05 when j...@freedesktop.org did gyre and gimble: JG So if memory is right by the pixels the concept of vertical retrace JG may become moot, conceivably, someday. It is already, for e-ink displays. -- pgplvbV1kRRYF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Patch noise
Twas brillig at 20:35:02 06.02.2009 UTC+00 when i...@hybrid-lab.co.uk did gyre and gimble: IM So, since 1st Jan there's been, by my guestimate, around 2000 IM messages on the xorg list... 1552. 42 messages/day. Quite moderate amount of messages. IM Are you seriously saying that that is a good way of managing x.org IM development cycle and that nothing gets lost due to the current IM SNR??? Yes. SNR (except in Patch noise thread) is very high. -- pgpBo0GXfRejW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching
Twas brillig at 11:40:00 15.01.2009 UTC+01 when marche...@icps.u-strasbg.fr did gyre and gimble: SM In short, I wouldn't suggest getting a dual GPU laptop with the SM purpose of using it under linux, as one of the GPUs will probably SM stay unused. Well, it should be possible to run some number-crunching on unused discrete GPU :) -- pgph1DXHB2QqS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: radeon supported resolutions?
Twas brillig at 05:33:04 28.12.2008 UTC-05 when mrma...@ij.net did gyre and gimble: FM Is there some FOSS tool or web site that hosts images to be used FM for testing for ghosting or blurriness? Famous X grid background which used to be a default background until recently is a good test. -- pgpoRD9JFlluo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Draft: License policy for contributors
Twas brillig at 06:28:17 03.12.2008 UTC+11 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: DS What're our options? GFDL is out as DFSG-incompatible. Creative Commons - Attribution - 3.0. -- pgpSwK09wk1ws.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL
Twas brillig at 11:38:21 01.12.2008 UTC+05 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: AEP Then it may be a good idea to write such client (even without the pop-up, AEP a static default stored in the configuration file will also work) and add AEP it to xorg-apps as an example implementation of such service. Go for it! The problem is more general: there are desktop services which don't have good policy clients beside the ones tied to major DEs: Bluetooth, NetworkManager, HAL come to mind. They all need a Unix-style clients to be written, so those who don't use DE may easily configure the corresponding services. IIRC there is CLI NetworkManager client in the works, but rest is still not covered. -- ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL
Twas brillig at 20:22:30 01.12.2008 UTC+11 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: DS [0]: Emacs in 'utter luddites' shock. Not anymore. -- ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL
Twas brillig at 16:58:42 01.12.2008 UTC+01 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. NM There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually NM painted on its keys /me wonders what Happy Hacking Blank Top keyboards would advertise in this case :) -- pgpTynhsX5pPG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL
Twas brillig at 10:28:24 01.12.2008 UTC+10 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: PH Most other settings in the more popular input drivers are now PH configurable at runtime too (where now == server 1.6), so you PH basically just have to convince your DE to provide pretty PH interfaces for them. There is whole world without DEs. -- pgpbxzMEbCpSF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?
Twas brillig at 18:12:09 29.11.2008 UTC+00 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: CG But that said, there are lots of things in Gnome/KDE that just CG don't work without HAL, so more and more you will need it for CG correct operation. Quoting the first mail: if you are not under the gas factory desktops, gnome/kde CG Is there any reason you have a problem using hal? Well, I personally have a problem that it is quite hard to put reference HAL (and D-Bus!) implementation into the device with 16Mb of RAM, without any swap and only 64Mb of NAND flash, but that's a completely different story. -- pgpIF0xwDoIy5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Embedded X
Twas brillig at 11:41:31 14.10.2008 UTC+05 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: A My concern is if there is any tiny/embedded version of X11 available A targeting the embedded platforms? kdrive. You will find it in X.org server tree. -- pgpPOPSC70pxC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
