Re: [delicious-discuss] Clay on categories, links, and tags

2005-05-30 Thread Sam Joseph
Isn't there a huge gap here in that Spotlight and Google Desktop don't 
actually give me control of the metadata associated with my files?


Personally I'd like to be able to tag any object (e.g. file, email, web 
bookmark, chunk of code) with any tag, and indeed with any other object, 
and then browse the network of links, but I'm not sure we'll see it any 
time soon.


CHEERS SAM

Gen Kanai wrote:

Would you say that Apple's Spotlight in OS X and Google Desktop are  
the first steps towards this kind of functionality in the future?


On May 18, 2005, at 4:06 AM, Anselm Hook wrote:



desktop operating system...  I'm tired of clunky web interfaces  that 
only

manage one kind of thing.  That it took del to break ground here is
wonderful but...  when is this stuff going to get into our desktops  
- and
start to deal with the other qualifiers we use every day?  I'd like  
to be
able to set contraints like 'all things tagged blue, of this mime  
type, in
this date range and authored while I was in france' etc.  I'd like  
this to

be the primary way I order _all_ my stuff... not just a novelty for my
bookmarks.  It is so matter of fact and so simple that it is  scarely 
worth
mentioning...  yet operating systems that do this are still not out  
yet.


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Re: [delicious-discuss] Clay on categories, links, and tags

2005-05-20 Thread Nitin Borwankar
Gen Kanai wrote:
Anselm,
Agreed.
Would you say that Apple's Spotlight in OS X and Google Desktop are  
the first steps towards this kind of functionality in the future?

On May 18, 2005, at 4:06 AM, Anselm Hook wrote:
desktop operating system...  I'm tired of clunky web interfaces  that 
only
manage one kind of thing.  That it took del to break ground here is
wonderful but...  when is this stuff going to get into our desktops  
- and
start to deal with the other qualifiers we use every day?  I'd like  
to be
able to set contraints like 'all things tagged blue, of this mime  
type, in
this date range and authored while I was in france' etc.  I'd like  
this to
be the primary way I order _all_ my stuff... not just a novelty for my
bookmarks.  It is so matter of fact and so simple that it is  scarely 
worth
mentioning...  yet operating systems that do this are still not out  
yet.

Gen, Anselm,
I suspect that before this becomes ubiquitous at the OS layer, we'll see 
this done in some sort of lightweight fast *cross platform portable* 
application.   Then I can use multiple versions of it, one on my iPod, 
one on my laptop, one on my desktop, one on each of my server apps on 
the 'net ( GMail, Yahoo ).  I should be able to transparently 
exchange  metadata  across  *all* the platforms  I use and sync across 
all these.  Searching for something on my iPod could suggest I go look 
on my desktop.  Why not ?  Why restrict the scope to just one machine.

This issue of my tags existing in multiple places at multiple scales and 
the technical problems created, I call Data 2.0
i.e. data in the folksonomy/Web2.0 world. 

shameless plug
See my blog at http://tagschema.com/ and the article therein titled Web 
2.0 needs Data 2.0
/shameless plug

As sexy as Google Desktop and Spotlight are, they are still point 
solutions that don't encompass all my data - which  exists on multiple 
devices, at multiple scales, in multiple locations and I need to be able 
to search across all of them transparently.  OS specific solutions do 
not work in this context, IMHO.

Nitin Borwankar.
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