[Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread anatmanwave
---Ah, better question. Yes you can practice Zen without offically 
becoming a Buddhist. but I wouldn't get so stuck on the semantics.
I am a budhist, I'm not a Buddhist; eh, makes no difference to the 
path.
Guy


 In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike and Guy,  Thank you for your responses.
 
 Let me ask this question a different way:
 
 Can you practice zen without being buddhist?  If no, why?  If not, 
 why?
 
 Thanks...Bill!
 
 --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote:
 
  The heart of the subject is the same.
  
  anatmanwave anatmanwave@ wrote:  ---Same thing, Zen 
 comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
  from India.
  Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
  
  Guy
  
  In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart BillSmart@ wrote:
  
   What is the relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
  
  
  
  
   
  
 
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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread Al
From: anatmanwave Yes you can practice Zen without offically
becoming a Buddhist. 

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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Or maybe the raft fee is $5?

Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From: anatmanwave Yes you can 
practice Zen without offically
becoming a Buddhist. 

Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the I AM A BUDDHIST
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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Let me amend that - a raft disposal collection fee.

Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From: anatmanwave Yes you can 
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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread mike brown
The heart of the subject is the same.

anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ---Same thing, Zen comes from 
Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
from India.
Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.

Guy

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[Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread Bill Smart
Mike and Guy,  Thank you for your responses.

Let me ask this question a different way:

Can you practice zen without being buddhist?  If no, why?  If not, 
why?

Thanks...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The heart of the subject is the same.
 
 anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ---Same thing, Zen 
comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
 from India.
 Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
 
 Guy
 
 In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart BillSmart@ wrote:
 
  What is the relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
 
 
 
 
  
 

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[Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread Bill Smart
Ooops!

That was not a TRICK question.  I meant to ask:

Can you practice zen without being buddhist?  If NO, why?  If YES, 
why?

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike and Guy,  Thank you for your responses.
 
 Let me ask this question a different way:
 
 Can you practice zen without being buddhist?  If no, why?  If not, 
 why?
 
 Thanks...Bill!
 
 --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote:
 
  The heart of the subject is the same.
  
  anatmanwave anatmanwave@ wrote:  ---Same thing, Zen 
 comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
  from India.
  Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
  
  Guy
  
  In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart BillSmart@ wrote:
  
   What is the relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
  
  
  
  
   
  
 
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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread daniel sherwood
I think one can practice Zen without being a Buddhist because Zen is a 
philosophy and not a religion. All one has to do is sit...


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Subject: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

Mike and Guy, Thank you for your responses.

Let me ask this question a different way:

Can you practice zen without being buddhist? If no, why? If not, 
why?

Thanks...Bill!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote:

 The heart of the subject is the same.
 
 anatmanwave anatmanwave@ ... wrote: ---Same thing, Zen 
comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
 from India.
 Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
 
 Guy
 
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Bill Smart BillSmart@ wrote:
 
  What is the relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread mike brown
Hi Bill! (nice to see they let you out on weekends)
   
  It's still a trick question of sorts (whether intentional or not) because 
ultimately it will lead to a pardox (zen and buddhism are the same, but not). 
In that sense, I believe zen is different because zen goes beyond the question 
and brings us back to our ground of being where the question need not even be 
asked. That was the problem the Chinese had with the Indian form of Buddhism 
resulting in a more direct form of buddhism.

Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ooops!

That was not a TRICK question. I meant to ask:

Can you practice zen without being buddhist? If NO, why? If YES, 
why?

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike and Guy, Thank you for your responses.
 
 Let me ask this question a different way:
 
 Can you practice zen without being buddhist? If no, why? If not, 
 why?
 
 Thanks...Bill!
 
 --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote:
 
  The heart of the subject is the same.
  
  anatmanwave anatmanwave@ wrote: ---Same thing, Zen 
 comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it 
  from India.
  Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
  
  Guy
  
  In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart BillSmart@ wrote:
  
   What is the relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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