Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
andrey, I agreed the language is nice and that's why I also use it. I just pointed out that binaries are one order of magnitude larger, as you just proved. perhaps I shouldn't have raised this. I didn't want to bother anyone. El Mar 24, 2013, a las 12:45 AM, andrey mirtchovski

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Steve Simon
I am intrigued by go but I mostly write embedded code for a day job and I believe go doesn't really cover that space well. The other part of my job is image processing which would be apropriate for Go but my employer has mandated c++ so that is the end of that. I do have a few honest questions

[9fans] a security problem in /sys/log/*

2013-03-24 Thread arisawa
Hello, I found an error message in /sys/log/cpu such that al Mar 19 15:25:16 can't authenticate: al: auth_proxy rpc write: p9...@aichi-u.ac.jp p9...@aichi-u.ac.jp: no key matches user=arisawa password=xxx proto=p9sk1 dom=a where xxx is my password. I suspect the message came from

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread lucio
All below is opinion, possibly uninformed. Is there a standardised GUI binding for go, somthing cross-platform? Not yet, although I think the pressure is building. At the moment, from where I am, it seems that a lot of development relies on interfacing with a web browser and there are a few

[9fans] hubfs future development + ANTS update

2013-03-24 Thread mycroftiv
Hi again 9fans, Sometimes you find yourself saying one thing while doing the opposite, and you don't even know you are doing it. A couple weeks ago I released some software called Advanced Namespace Tools for Plan 9. I seriously misestimated the interest and engagement of the Plan 9 community

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread tlaronde
To go back to the original subject, since gcc(1) has taken the C++ path, I will be more than happy of an increase of Go programs since, thanks to the work of some people, Go for Plan9 is possible. As for the Go language, it is sufficiently near C, with extensions that feel natural, to be

Re: [9fans] a security problem in /sys/log/*

2013-03-24 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 24 March 2013 09:21, arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: I think better message is desired. Somehow you've got something using password instead of !password as an attribute name. The ! would prevent the attribute's value from being printed.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Dustin Fechner
On 03/24/2013 10:48 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: But since I'm one of the few who use litterate programming (cweb), I would probably start by wrinting a goweb instead of using the dedicated tools... https://bitbucket.org/santucco/goweb The original thread from golang-nuts:

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread tlaronde
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:56:54PM +0100, Dustin Fechner wrote: On 03/24/2013 10:48 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: But since I'm one of the few who use litterate programming (cweb), I would probably start by wrinting a goweb instead of using the dedicated tools...

Re: [9fans] a security problem in /sys/log/*

2013-03-24 Thread arisawa
Thanks Forsyth, /sys/log/cpu is an error log. Therefore It is sure that I did something stupid. I tried reproducing same error log, and I found Russ is very careful person. Factotum protects against revealing users password. For example: - protects against input such as password=

[9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread trebol
Hi everyone, What is the more efficient backup procedure in Plan 9 do you recommend? I'm using cwfs and I think 9fs dump is incredible - I can recover that thing I dropped a month ago and now I am regret for doing that - but the disk failure nightmare is always present. thanks in advance,

Re: [9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 24 18:12:34 EDT 2013, trebol55...@yahoo.es wrote: Hi everyone, What is the more efficient backup procedure in Plan 9 do you recommend? I'm using cwfs and I think 9fs dump is incredible - I can recover that thing I dropped a month ago and now I am regret for doing that - but the

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Winston Kodogo
To go back to the original subject Surely this is the first time that has ever been done on 9fans? This is 9fans, not 'Nam. There are rules.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Dan Cross
Eh, not so much anymore. The morlocks have taken over, which is a shame: 9fans used to be one of the best technical mailing lists on the Internet. Those days are long gone. The ankle biters are too numerous now. (Cue requisite flames.) - Dan C. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:00 PM,

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
The ankle biters are too numerous now. Trolling is a art they tell themselves.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-03-24, at 6:24 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: Trolling is a art they tell themselves. On Slashdot.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 09:20:04PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Eh, not so much anymore. The morlocks have taken over, which is a shame: 9fans used to be one of the best technical mailing lists on the Internet. Those days are long gone. The ankle biters are too numerous now. (Cue requisite

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Jacob Todd
Stop.

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 107, Issue 61

2013-03-24 Thread Winston Kodogo
I'm fairly sure that this is a misquote from Alfred, Lord Tennyson. In my copy, the original reads: Trolling is a art she told herselves The Lady of Shallot. I would have said an art, but I'm no poet. Good to know that you're still out there Dan. But I'm a bit puzzled by your use of the term

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Stop. Collaborate and listen.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 09:42:09PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Yeah. Or someone who is arguably the biggest problem on the list adding absolutely nothing other than some uninformed, dogmatically driven, rigid meta-commentary. Maybe that's all that person can do. He should keep feeling smug

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Dan Cross
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 09:42:09PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Yeah. Or someone who is arguably the biggest problem on the list adding absolutely nothing other than some uninformed, dogmatically driven, rigid meta-commentary.

[9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread trebol
if you can afford it, i'd make a periodic copy of the dump device to another disk in the same machine. i might even consider just copying the whole disk. I've had bad experiences with CDs and DVDs, so I'm going to follow your advise and just copy the whole dump device; and keep reading the

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:02:12PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: When you have produced a fraction of a percent of what Rob Pike has produced over his career, I might take you seriously. Until then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect If, over the course of my life, I produce a

Re: [9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread arisawa
that takes so long time. it is better to have efficient backup tool. (but not exists yet though) cwfs is not so easy to backup compared to venti. venti is easy to backup because filled areas are shielded and guaranteed not to be modified. but cwfs is not. unwritten blocks exist in deep dumped

[9fans] List Interactions and GSoC

2013-03-24 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Several really awful threads have come through in the past few weeks, though I recognize this has been an increasing problem over the past two years. It is possible to not respect a person without being disrespectful towards that person. It's possible to promote software without having a nuclear

Re: [9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
i was thinking about this some time ago... theres the fakeworm device fsubdevice that will maintain a block bitmap of the blocks that have already been written. one could write a program that also backups the block bitmap and on backup, compares the bitmaps prior copying blocks so only newly

Re: [9fans] List Interactions and GSoC

2013-03-24 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't a healthy way to keep Plan 9 active. Please, in the interest of advancing the software (or at least advancing the knowledge of others), can we please tone the vitriol down a notch? Agreed. I mean, I had a

Re: [9fans] Disk backup?

2013-03-24 Thread arisawa
thanks cinap, I believed you are interested on this topic. assuming we don't modify current cwfs code, the only way to solve the problem is to have list of unwritten blocks up to last superblock (or bitmap of written blocks) cwfs might manage the list, but I don't know where it is. inspecting

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
Yes, I run Go on native Plan9, what I wanted toi say is that I would be happy to see some minimalistic (in a spirit of plan9) written in, and integrated with, Go... [Beat my English, as usually, I am not a native speaker] And yes, binaries are extraordinarily huge (no idea, why). However, I still

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
Sorry for that. I am not a natuive speaker. English uses different punctuation then my mothertongue. However, I hope you got what I wanted to say. ++pac On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:08 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/23/13, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: @Lucio: I still hope