Re: [9fans] Fwd: ubiquitous environment?

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > Hello, > > I am not sure this email ever made it to the forum, > hence I decided to ask once more... > > Thanks for any comments... > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Rudolf Sykora > Date: 16 June

Re: [9fans] Fwd: ubiquitous environment?

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > All sources were made public and you have links in the web pages, eg., > http://lsub.org/export/osrc.zip for the octopus. > Should anyone be bored and need something to read, drop me a line if you > can't find them. > HTH Oh,

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018, at 11:32 AM, hiro wrote: > git has a bad user interface, it is not made for casual users. > I've been using it casually for a couple of weeks, it's been bearable. Perhaps that's because one of the repos only has occasional commits from one other person, and the other is

Re: [9fans] ReMarkable!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Daniel Camolês wrote: > > I understand the sunken cost fallacy, but seriously, there's a reason > handwriting on tablets is not that much used despite the existence of > softwares for such. It can be useful when it comes to short annotations, but > it's really

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > 2018-02-12 14:05 GMT+01:00 Ethan Grammatikidis <eeke...@fastmail.fm>: > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > >> 2018-02-12 2:10 GMT+01:00 Ethan Grammatikidis <eeke...@fastmail.fm>: >

Re: [9fans] ReMarkable!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Camolês wrote: > You could use, you know, a keyboard with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $600 tablet whose main trick is the handwriting input? why would i buy the tablet? -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 2/12/18, Ethan Grammatikidis <eeke...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > [ a neat rant I agree almost to the pixel with... ] Thanks! > The message, of course, is that one should not need hundreds of > thousands of files depl

Re: [9fans] ReMarkable!

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote: > your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing > longer text. > i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot. possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't too bad for

Re: [9fans] software archaeology

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > > > I almost want this for my wall. :)

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > 2018-02-12 2:10 GMT+01:00 Ethan Grammatikidis <eeke...@fastmail.fm>: >> linux-style package managers and bsd-style port trees facilitate and enable >> coupling. > > What a package manager really facil

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > While it's in no way a Unix, many won't even consider it a Plan 9 > system. Still for anyone interested: http://jehanne.io on principle, i very much like jehanne's decoupling policy. it was the growth of excessive coupling between

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

So we're all putting it here? Okay then. I agree with pretty-much everything hiro said this time. Regarding differences between forks, what springs to my mind is the fixes 9front needed to host cat-v.org. The site was switched to a 9front server at the time of Uriel's death, news of which

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

eeh... I cut out a bunch of stuff from my last mail because I didn't want to derail the thread. Anyone want a new thread on discussing the differences, or shall we just bung it all here?

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018, at 4:24 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > That said, I deem it unfortunate that there isn't a drive to > consolidate the various flavours of Plan 9 into a single offering, or > at least identify and discuss the differences and provide for the > choices from a single source (pun

[9fans] RasPi why?

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Not to mention The RasPis are poor at > reliability. Even a xenon flash or near a RasPi could power a > RasPi2 down! And since they do no onboard power regulation, > people had lots of problems early on -- add one more USB > device and the

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018, at 9:39 AM, lchg wrote: > As I know, fossil/venti file system is log-structured, so it may be > good for flash devices, especially in extending life of flash devices. As far as I know the device itself will even the wear by remapping the blocks it presents to the computer. I

Re: [9fans] Chords, ^, _, ^B and scroll with mouse wheel in p9p sam

On Fri, May 27, 2016, at 11:37 PM, stanley lieber wrote: > The intended convention is for the scrollwheel to behave similar to clicking > inside the scrollbar. > > It is unclear how to fix mousing for users who don't want to keep track of > where the mouse pointer is. > > sl > > I suppose

Re: [9fans] Chords, ^, _, ^B and scroll with mouse wheel in p9p sam

On Fri, May 27, 2016, at 09:57 PM, Mark Lee Smith wrote: > Thanks for sharing this! I'd already backported a few of the features, > but I hadn't yet got around to looking at the chording code etc. It's > great to have selection working! I'm not sure if I did something wrong > (I've checked the

Re: [9fans] problem with acme on 9front

On Fri, May 20, 2016, at 02:32 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > On May 19, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis <eeke...@fastmail.fm> > > wrote: > > > > It's the plumber which does the heavy lifting there, and it will provide > > the same in conjunction

Re: [9fans] problem with acme on 9front

On Fri, May 20, 2016, at 01:37 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > To my view, acme is more of an IDE than an editor. the << B3-on-file:linenum > >> in the diagnostics window from a compile is the greatest productivity gain > I have ever experienced. It's the plumber which does the heavy lifting

Re: [9fans] make passive aggressive gcc

On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:21:56 +0100 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: If you're using gcc 4.8.2 to compile ... anything, really ... but certainly Plan 9 or Inferno components, and those use for loops with arrays, be sure to include the compilation options -fno-strict-aliasing\

Re: [9fans] make passive aggressive gcc

On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:56:28 +0200 Siarhei Zirukin ftrvxm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:21:56 +0100 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: If you're using gcc 4.8.2 to compile

Re: [9fans] small VFD display

On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 12:10:34 +0200 lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: -- Dijstraka, EWD898, 1984 Huh?! Lucio search the web for EWD898. it's a good read; fascinating how little has really changed. -- Developing the austere intellectual discipline of keeping things sufficiently simple is

Re: [9fans] small VFD display

On Wed, 6 May 2015 10:52:30 +0100 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Could I run the plan9 graphics subsystem in a stand alone app rather than involving the kernel? I think I can but are there any examples of this? vncs(1) -- Developing the austere intellectual discipline of keeping

Re: [9fans] other kernel bug

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 02:07 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: On Mon Jun 9 21:02:01 EDT 2014, p...@fb.com wrote: Hi cinap, Would it be possible to change a bit the 9front mercurial repository so that it can work on MacOS filesystem. I get some: abort: case-folding collision between

Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: Everything is developed in secret without the involvment of any potential parties. Sure, everybody has the right to work in any way they like (except when the work is paid by public money), but you reap what youb sow. The lack of public

Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 05:40 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Of course, the number of different issues that need to be taken into account is much greater than the single item discussed here, but anything that rewards greed ought to be treated, at minimum, with great suspicion, not with

Re: [9fans] Installation on disk-less laptops

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:02:28 GMT faif faif...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen some tips here and there about installing Plan 9 on a disk-less computer but are there any guides? I have an eee pc 1000h and I am interested in installing Plan 9. Whether it will be the standard installation, 9atom,

Re: [9fans] c++

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:54:11 +0100 Hugo Rivera uai...@gmail.com wrote: the fact that there are bigger problems in the world does not imply that we ourselves are in a position to do anything about them. heck, i see problems very close to home that i can't do much about. i can try to make

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:47:15 +1200 Andy Elvey andy.el...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Hi all - I've just been looking at the docs for cons and consolefs. I am just **blown away** by how cleanly and elegantly keyboard input is handled in Plan 9! There seems to be *none* of the - um - less than

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:46:58 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sun Sep 2 16:41:20 EDT 2012, gleb.ax...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. Anyway, no one will write so huge and complicated code (like sorcery from Source Mage GNU/Linux) in rc. that's a good thing, right? - erik

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:10:39 +0100 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: Changing my default shell from bash to rc caused even terminal windows (let alone 9term ones) to appear almost instantly on Ubuntu (9term windows appear instantly on the click). i'm not sure how ubuntu manages

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a user-space program under other OSs. I used it to try out someone else's

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:09:39 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: By the way, if you run p9p acme on Linux as root, don't use win. The pty subsystem crashes or something; you have to reboot before you can open any X term. :D just change the permissions on /dev/ptmx back to

Re: [9fans] 8c and elf shared libraries

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:02:37 +0100 steve st...@quintile.net wrote: i am just trying to avoid shipping a binary with the linuxemu source, Why? I'm thankful you're improving linuxemu but it seems to me you're giving yourself a headache and delaying your own work for dubious reasons. A reason for

Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:49:20 -0400 Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 08:44 +, opryy...@gmail.com wrote: Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf No mention of the $16 Teensy?

Re: [9fans] 8c and elf shared libraries

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:42:55 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Thinking it over, I'd rather use the regular Linux toolchain for the task. You can still write sensible C for gcc to compile, and I think we don't know what the task is. Fair point. I had stared at the email

Re: [9fans] 8c and elf shared libraries

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:15:26 +0100 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Various projects have worked on 8c to make it generate code for other OSs, have any of these resulted in code that could generate a very _very_ simple ELF shared library sutiable for linux? -Steve The 8l in Go can

Re: [9fans] Show/edit acme snarf buffer

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:15:01 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Using either/both acme under Plan 9 and/or Mac OS X via plan9port, is there a file that can be opened in acme that displays the current contents of the acme snarf buffer? If so, is there a way to have that

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:37:15 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I believe I do, and I'm pretty sure the difference lies in gamma or color correction which is provided by most graphics chipsets but is inaccessible with VESA. It is also likely to be inaccessible with native

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:55:06 + s...@9front.org wrote: In native, I no longer benefit from X11's rendering. Here, blurry fonts look blurry. i'm not having that problem. but that might be because of the details of the conversion to font, or due to personal sensitivity to subpixeling.

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:19:20 -0400 Comeau At9Fans comeauat9f...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so, unless I was asleep at the wheel following these discussions, there's been a few mini PCs to come about lately: * Raspberry Pi * Cotton Candy * Mele A1000 * MK802 We have a small number of the

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:58:39 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Jun 11 17:58:28 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote: Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses. I loved vera until I

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:03:16 -0600 andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Don't submit messages containing flames or MIME. Content should be technical. I'm looking at all of you here! I like the or MIME part. ;) -- This is obviously some strange usage of the word simple that

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:05:06 -0700 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: i haven't seen any evidence that strongly typed files are a good idea. but maybe others have? I can tell you that the Big Data

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 02:00:37 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: regardless of what one thinks of the standard, the header charset takes precidence! see http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/dec2002/ it sucks, but it's better to follow standards than to invent one's

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:29:15 +0200 Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: How much more so then should we oppose standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no purpose? You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what you started criticising

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:51:37 +0200 Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid making the type of short

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:52:17 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sat Jun 9 12:32:20 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives just simply haven't

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:42:11 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I'll admit I don't have anything quite as convenient as that for an immediate undo. I'd put a cp in the shell loop and for undo: for(f in *.orig) {mv $f `{echo $f | sed 's/.orig$//'}}. Or use a scm, e.g. git

Re: [9fans] lan9 rc-shell level regex vs utf values questions

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:05:13 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: do you mean that instead of matching lines you want to match records delimited by \u2424? Also awk 'RS=␤', or awk -F ␤ where -F is field separator.

Re: [9fans] lan9 rc-shell level regex vs utf values questions

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:03:09 +0100 Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:05:13 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: do you mean that instead of matching lines you want to match records delimited by \u2424? Also awk 'RS=␤', or awk -F

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:44:35 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: i haven't seen any evidence that strongly typed files are a good idea. but maybe others have? I certainly haven't, and I wish the HTTP standards idiots would adopt the unix position in this case; the

Re: [9fans] code highlighting

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:23:03 +0200 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: perhaps this discussion about acme might be of interest... (this points at Russ' contribution in the otherwise longer thread) http://9fans.net/archive/2008/08/134 Nice post, I've saved it for my own reference.

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:33:19 +0100 Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Hey, On 3 June 2012 02:12, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On a related note, what is the point of multi-file editors? I can see their use with a primitive OS, but given ed and a shell with loops

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:53:21 +0100 Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: On 3 June 2012 02:40, Stephen Wiley swwi...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that I can see is that the 40 billion windows you open are all grouped together and don't get in your way when using other apps. (One of the

Re: [9fans] [off topic] how one linux distro chooses to handle secure boot

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:48:54 +0300 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html Hmm.. what in there is useful for people who can disable secureboot on their systems? Or, if we can't, A system in custom mode should allow you to delete all existing keys and

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:15:51 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i think you're ignoring the fact that any X command can be undone by a single u command. this isn't just window dressing. (sorry.) as you note, i can repeat {X ...; oops; u} as many times as necessary then save

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:40:11 +0300 Antonio Barrones antonio@gmail.com wrote: On May 31, 10:01 pm, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 02:55:57PM -0400, Burton Samograd wrote: so edit/win, edit/edit, edit/dir might all be little programs that do part of what acme

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Thu, 31 May 2012 07:32:41 -0400 Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: On May 31, 2012, at 0:10, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: This proper English is not the language of the English people... The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach their children to speak

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:49:38 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Some people would love warp-to-location for Undo/Redo, some I'm sure would hate it. Some people can't stand that up/down arrow keys scroll the page rather than move the cursor (I'm not one). Acme might benefit

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

On Thu, 31 May 2012 06:30:28 -0700 Jason Catena jason.cat...@gmail.com wrote: There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. Pass argument by reference also provides a look-in to a point in memory without copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:43:57 -0700 Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:31:04 BST Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: Yeah, it's almost a successor to Lisp machines (except it's a not a good lisp, I'm told). I call it a desktop environment, myself

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

On Wed, 30 May 2012 18:42:21 +0200 tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23:02PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: Snarf is a dumb name. It isn't well named. This is because you are probably an english native speaker searching sensibility behind sounds or pictures (written

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

On Sat, 19 May 2012 22:06:05 +0100 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: Oh my whiskers! Oh my paws! Can't we make this stop? I suppose you'll now start posting incomplete things with the frail excuse that you haven't got a keyboard and posted from my ipad. On 19 May 2012 21:54,

Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance

On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:21:48 -0600 Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: Another noob question; how do you start the fs console on cwfs64x? I tried 'con /srv/cwfs.cmd' but get nothing back. The docs I can find all relate to fossil and which doesn't look to work the same. I'm

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:36:52 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: abaco was confused about how relative urls work. i've attached the file i'm using (which has some extra differences), and here's the diff Thanks! I'll push that to 9front if it works with their webfs.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:41 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thu May 17 17:44:51 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Besides that, my Elysian field has namespaces. +1 better than angry french motorists. I can handle angry French motorists better than I can handle

Re: [9fans] +t and bind (Was Re: Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience)

On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:43:15 -0700 David Romano un...@cpan.org wrote: I suppose that's the double-edged sword with having the dynamic capabilities of bind(1). In practice it's not much of a problem. /lib/namespace takes care of the globally-persistant binds such as bind /$cputype/bin /bin and

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:34:39 + s...@9front.org wrote: EthanG will be disciplined. -sl What? Did I forget to promulgate dbus again? But you all only decide you like dbus at the end of a hard day, I wrote all that before lunch.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

On Thu, 17 May 2012 07:41:28 -0800 Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:38:13 +0200 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 17 of May 2012 15:57:07 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:34:39 + s...@9front.org wrote: EthanG will be disciplined. -sl What? Did I forget to promulgate dbus

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:56 +0200 Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote: Plan 9 is a research platform for programmers, not a product. As such, your questions don't make sense. Everybody maintains their private trees because this is the way the system is supposed to be used. Plan 9 has a

Re: [9fans] 5i floating point?

On Wed, 9 May 2012 12:36:06 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Wed May 9 10:38:21 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: aiju wrote an arm emulator for 9front some time ago and i remember he implemented floating point on it. why was it done this way rather than

Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure

On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:22:02 -0600 Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: 9bootfat does its search by walking all partition table entries (primary and secondary) on the bootdrive that are marked as active. Reading the grub docs, it sounds like an active partition is marked

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:40:58 GMT Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: I've put together a rudimentary chart of acme chords -- if anyone has any suggestions, revisions, corrections, etc., they would be greatly appreciated. Eventually the chart will form part of an introduction to acme for

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:38:01 -0400 Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell? This is a waste and a fault. long at least ought to be at least a machine word. Use vlong. Why does it matter what it's called? The main

Re: [9fans] Question about usage of Plan 9 based os systems

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:17:54 +0100 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: I now use Plan 9 for everything that does not involve 3D graphics, the www, or email. The latter is because as far as I'm

Re: [9fans] known working wifi cards

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:44:07 +0100 Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: thinking about patching a Linux driver module to record everything it does and every command it receives; snooping with driver help. Wireshark can snoop usb traffic. It is easy and gives you all the information

Re: [9fans] known working wifi cards

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:08:04 -0700 Jerome Ibanes jiba...@gmail.com wrote: I use a Vonets USB WiFi Bridge vap11g I found on ebay for less than $10, I wrote a little driver to have it set its channel and ssid. I didn't have any documentation, so I snooped the usb traffic bridged to a windows

Re: [9fans] Question about usage of Plan 9 based os systems

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:08:57 +0100 Paschke Christoph c.pasc...@me.com wrote: for me very interesting question: who use a Plan 9 system productive? I now use Plan 9 for everything that does not involve 3D graphics, the www, or email. The latter is because as far as I'm aware there's no way to

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:29:29 -0400 Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:21 , Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire interfaces. This works again with the newest Macs with Thunderbolt. LOL yeah, I forgot but I

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:59:00 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: backup: 1. power down mac. remove hard drive. 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti. restore: 1. copy your backup onto drive 2. install hard drive. power up mac. ROFL! What I guess you don't

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:50:23 -0600 Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net wrote: At work, I use Time Machine to a Linux server. You can do this? I tried to use a second internal drive for Time Machine but it claimed Cannot find wifi and refused to proceed. (O.o) This was with Leopard; maybe it only

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:44:01 +0100 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: it's impressive that by 2011 we are unable to drive disks in as straightforward a manner as in the 1970s. better still, there are several competing miserable standards (and i'm not even including USB). Not to be

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:02:52 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: next target http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4228591/Dick-Tracy-watch-ARM-TechCon Got to be done! :}

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:26:19 -0700 Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Would this phone be able to run inferno? Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4 Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi More! It's running on at least one other Nexus S

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:30:56 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. The only disappointing thing was that they took the Wank tagging off the case, though it is still unashamed in the battery compartment. I'm not sure how much fun It will be at the airport with a

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:14:43 -0700 John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:57 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware

Re: [9fans] C beautifier

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:05:24 +0200 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: Somehow indent has indented wrong some ifs (the code in the body is at the same tab level than the if). Perhaps I made a mistake. I'm not saying it doesn't work (I'm sorry if I did). but cb was just fine. I've

Re: [9fans] Parallels 6/7 and Q(qemu for mac)

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:28:52 GMT mcco...@gmail.com wrote: Networking in Q doesn't work on OSX because qemu needs a TUN/TAP bridge to get off the host. OSX doesn't come with the tools to set it up as far as I can tell — some searching I did a while back made it seem like older versions of

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio?

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:01 -0700 John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the

Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: But all of these 'solutions' mean running a foreign binary under some sort of emulation. None of these integrate with the native environment. I.e. I can't plumb a URL to Firefox running under the

Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:13:50 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: If you can't run your holy grail (back off about badgers) - a web browser - and plan9 on the same cheap ass machine Speaking of cheap-ass machines, 9vx is stable enough for me on my Atom netbook. Gv aside, it's given

Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote: And I don't believe in full linux environments in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a browser would be enough. I don't think a browser can even be a static binary any more. I'm not going to

Re: [9fans] fossil deadlock

On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:48:23 +0100 r...@hemiola.co.uk wrote: I can easily get fossil to deadlock. It would be great if anyone with fossil internals expertise could comment. Every now and then someone studies fossil, having the belief that if only it were understood it could be made to work

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:01:34 +0100 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: What I think I need is a program which parses C and will do diffs at the level of functions, globals , #defines and enums. This won't work at the level of functions but I've found diff -c output to be nice to use with

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