hey Kenji,
deep learning is another interest of mine too. hardware support is a
big deal for that... some kind of support for GPUs would be nice.
people have discussed that for years... hardware drivers are difficult
and important to do correctly!
python is used a lot for some of the available
> I have ended up using 9front more and more, obviously. 9front was
> started specifically to address the fact that Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> didn't run on most computers...
me, too.
9front have many kinds of device drivers. If we live on other OSs than plan9,
we cannot do anything other than
Quoth k...@a-b.xyz:
>
> I'd like to see people communicate and exchange ideas and/or code more
> effectively but this will always remain in the hands of individuals
> who decide how to socialise and what to work on.
>
I try to keep an eye open, and integrate patches
that make sense. I've also
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> Do you mean working on git repos that
> use symbolic links
Those also work on git9, though modifying
the symlinks is not allowed. Symlinks are
treated as copies.
See the netsurf port for an example of this
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Quoth Lucio De Re :
> A transparent history of decisions in this matter would prevent losing
> any interesting proposals - yes, we need better than Git, but Git is
> painfully "enough" to start with, even if as I get more familiar with
> Git I'm starting to believe, hopefully wrongly, that Plan 9
some of it for me is just nostalgia. there was always someone talking about
"the world these days" though, I have to admit. ignorance sucks too but
noticing anything is excruciatingly painful! I also had a vested interest
in submitting patches "upstream" to see what I could learn from trying to
do
> We have beef with the One Plan 9 idea. Or at least the all people I have
> talked to about this topic.
personally i have no beef with it. i'd be happy for everybody to
upgrade to 9front.
it's all open-source for a reason, would be a shame if nobody believes
in their own fork...
19.08.2021 12:56:02 k...@a-b.xyz:
Quoth Lucio De Re :
What seems to be harped upon by the vocal defenders of 9front,
however, is this fictional idea that there is another community, let's
call them "9legacy", that is attempting to subvert 9front's efforts to
gain some kind of recognition in
Quoth Lucio De Re :
> What seems to be harped upon by the vocal defenders of 9front,
> however, is this fictional idea that there is another community, let's
> call them "9legacy", that is attempting to subvert 9front's efforts to
> gain some kind of recognition in the bigger picture.
The core
> On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who
> clearly would be a Torvalds if Plan 9 had gained the traction of
> Linux.
>
Oh please. You think Cinap is some sort of charismatic demogogue of 9front?
Yeah… he’s not
>> 3) the p9f website promotes links to the Plan 9 archive software (V1-V4),
>> 9legacy as "Plan 9 with many useful patches", the RPi version and other
>> Plan 9 resources. 9front is _never_ mentioned at all. It seems like they
>> don't consider 9front as a Plan 9 system at all.
>>
> That is
19.08.2021 11:51:48 hiro <23h...@gmail.com>:
Thank you for raising them. As I said up front, I am not a P9F member
of any kind. But I know that its intentions are far less nefarious
than of those who wittingly ascribe nefarious intentions to them.
Can you prove that? what makes you
> Thank you for raising them. As I said up front, I am not a P9F member
> of any kind. But I know that its intentions are far less nefarious
> than of those who wittingly ascribe nefarious intentions to them.
Can you prove that? what makes you competent to know without being a p9f member?
>
...
> would it not be better if the 9front community chose
> to create a wikipedia entry for themselves? That said, if there was a
> conspiracy, would the conspirators not have already wiped out 9front
> from a wikipedia page over which they presumably have some level of
> authority?
the groups
19.08.2021 11:29:29 hiro <23h...@gmail.com>:
anymore. Other dubious sources can be found on the 9front /who/ site
about p9f, where they apparently stole resources from 9front/cat-v
pages.
Very suspicious somehow.
that's because they lost the bell-labs server. else they could have
"stolen"
> anymore. Other dubious sources can be found on the 9front /who/ site
> about p9f, where they apparently stole resources from 9front/cat-v pages.
> Very suspicious somehow.
that's because they lost the bell-labs server. else they could have
"stolen" it from their own machines.
we mirrored all
On 8/19/21, sirjofri wrote:
> Hello dear community,
>
> I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some
> two cents in a list format:
>
> 1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This
> was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never
> more that one is less adverse to pulling the out the whole engine to fix the
> car and the other is more adverse
i think the better comparison is that with our volkswagen we can actually drive.
i know the bell-labs car radio won't even boot bec. you're using the
wrong IDE port.
Hello dear community,
I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some
two cents in a list format:
1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This
was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never heard any
statement by p9f about
Hej Eli,
I think, philosophically, there is a disconnect re: the status of 9front vs
9legacy by 9legacy folks. Even David suggested that 9legacy is “real” Plan 9,
rather than a fork. Fundamentally this is semantics, but it leads to seeing
them as fundamentally different things, when they
On 8/19/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I never said it was *the* development branch.
>
> lol
>
> but it is.
>
Correct. On two fronts, to coin a phrase. It is active and it is well supported.
It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who
clearly would be a Torvalds
> I never said it was *the* development branch.
lol
but it is.
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what is all the friction actually about here?? the most important
philosophical question always ends up the same, how can we figure out
a good formula for not being jerks?
I have ended up using 9front more and more, obviously. 9front was
started specifically to address the fact that Plan 9 from
Here are some clarifications.
9legacy used to be a an experimental patch queue for
Plan 9 from Bell Labs, providing patches that were not
yet accepted into the mainline distribution. That's why
we didn't recommend to use 9legacy, unless you had
specific needs.
However, this isn't really the case
I don’t think the basic philosophy of Plan 9 and 9front really differ that much
or in any deeply meaningful ways. I find 9front more usable for my needs.
Sshnet works well, as does sshfs, and the smaller changes to the behaviors of
Sam, rio RC shell windows etc (ctrl-b especially) seem to make
> On 18. Aug 2021, at 14.28, Lucio De Re wrote:
> Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers
> eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as
> Japanese manufacturers preferred.
This is my point exactly in one sense. In your example, there were
Yoh!
What can I say?
I kind of cherish being so wildly misrepresented. At least I'm taken
seriously, even if totally misunderstood.
Lucio.
On 8/18/21, Keith Gibbs wrote:
> Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of
> calling them out. I never said that.
On 8/18/21, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not
> sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need
> official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent of
> the Plan 9 name.
>
The
Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of
calling them out. I never said that. 9front as the official Plan 9 would be
pretty absurd.
I never said it was *the* development branch. It is *a* development branch. I
could even imagine that it may in fact be the
On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go
> on.
>
Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers
eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as
Japanese manufacturers preferred.
What
On 8/18/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> is that my cue, are you calling in my services?!
>
If you have any actual understanding of factotum, *I* could easily
gain from consulting such knowledge to scratch some of my immediate
itches, as I'm no expert and factotum is only slowly revealing its
Starting from a false premise does not help. 9front is not a development branch
of Plan 9. Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an open-source fork or
derivation of Plan 9.
Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not
sure why there is a strong need
Sorry for posting the other to the original title. Was authoring it prior to
your subject change and sent it after.
Will happily reply to this thread if it continues.
But in the meantime, you can lock me in the stocks and throw fruit ;).
-pixelheresy
> On 18 Aug 2021, at 10:04, Skip
is that my cue, are you calling in my services?!
On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go
> on.
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re wrote:
>>
>> On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote:
>> > One Plan Nine?
>> >
>> > Sure,
I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go on.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote:
> > One Plan Nine?
> >
> > Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase,
> > preserved as 9legacy, but
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