Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P. it needs to be isochronous.

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 12, 2009, at 9:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: if we're going back there, just take me out back and shoot me now. i want to remember some progress in computer science. The principal joy I derive from using Plan 9 (and I am quite new) is that it is so well architected. By day I am a

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
but I argue it's exactly right. PCM is the native hardware sample format and is basically the uncompress bitmap of the audio world. makes perfect sense.

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread Richard Miller
it all seems to hark back to the days mainframers put disk addresses in their data. Never mind disk addresses. We used to put whole channel programs into our data. How else would you implement a fast disk search without bothering the CPU? Just build a self-grepping file ...

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread roger peppe
2009/8/13 Roman Shaposhnik r...@sun.com: Am I totally missing something or hasn't been the binary RPC of that style been dead ever since SUNRPC? Hasn't the eulogy been delivered by CORBA? Haven't folks realized that S-exprs are really quite good for data serialization in the heterogeneous

[9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
I managed to reproduce the error in Bochs, the only thing I did was turning on the USB support in the emulator (usb_uhci: enabled=1). Startup: pcirouting: BIOS workaround: PCI.0.1.3 at pin 1 link 96 irq 11 - 9 #u/usb/ep1.0: uhci: port 0xC020 irq 9 256M memory: 105M kernel data, 151M user, 576M

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
Presumably this is because ssh is sshv1 but bitbucket requires sshv2. Russ Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. Maybe when the Plan 9 ssh client is facing sshv2, instead of shutting down with an error, it should try sshv1, or wait until its offered, i

[9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of proportional fonts for programming in Acme. This surprised me, to say the least. He even went as far as to mention that SML was the language they

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Noah Evans
Are you sure you're not running two usbds? Can send a listing of your process table? On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Bela Valekbval...@gmail.com wrote: I managed to reproduce the error in Bochs, the only thing I did was turning on the USB support in the emulator (usb_uhci: enabled=1).

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200 Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. I vaguely remember reading that some ssh software would refuse to work with ssh v1 by default because v1 is so insecure. -- Ethan Grammatikidis

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Noah Evans
Okay, could you run: echo 'stacks()' | acid -l thread pid On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Bela Valekbval...@gmail.com wrote: Logged in with 'none': none             91    0:00   0:00      356K Sleep    usbd none             92    0:00   0:00      356K Pread    usbd none             93    

[9fans] silly Q

2009-08-13 Thread cej
hi all, what is the reason why the dir structure of /usr/xxx does not follow that of / (according to namespace(4)), please? e.g., /386/bin, /386/lib, /386/include, /rc/bin, /rc/lib, but, /usr/glenda/bin/386, /usr/glenda/bin/mips, /usr/glenda/bin/rc. thanks, ++pac.

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread Uriel
The software industry is the ultimate recreation of Sisyphus' curse. uriel On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Daniel Lyonsfus...@storytotell.org wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 9:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: if we're going back there, just take me out back and shoot me now. i want to remember some

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread Adrian Tritschler
2009/8/13 Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com: Presumably this is because ssh is sshv1 but bitbucket requires sshv2. Russ Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. Maybe when the Plan 9 ssh client is facing sshv2, instead of shutting down with an error, it

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Donnelly
Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us writes: Secondly, if you do use proportional width fonts, why, and what troubles did you encounter; what benefits did you encounter? You can't very well engage in weird formatting tricks, but I'm not much a fan of those anyway. IMO, the more attractive letters

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread roger peppe
2009/8/13 Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us: Firstly, how many of you using Acme for programming on a daily basis remap your fonts so that the fixed width font is the main one that you use? i use proportional fonts in acme for programming. Secondly, if you do use proportional width fonts, why,

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
First of all, i missed some pids, the total number of usbd processes is 8: glenda50:00 0:00 356K Sleepusbd glenda60:00 0:00 356K Preadusbd glenda70:00 0:00 356K Rendez usbd glenda80:00 0:00 356K

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Robert Raschke
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us wrote: So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of proportional fonts for programming in Acme. I've been programming using

[9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Hello everyone, I have, by mistake, deleted a file. I use fossil. I don't know much about how fossil works... Can I do something to get it back? I tried yesterday, but it says /n/dump/2009 doesn't exist. I looked in /n/dump and there is nothing. I tried '9fs dump' but even after that /n/dump/ is

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Noah Evans
Can you mk all /sys/src/libthread. This is bogging down a bit. Take it off-list? On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Bela Valekbval...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, i missed some pids, the total number of usbd processes is 8: glenda            5    0:00   0:00      356K Sleep    usbd glenda    

[9fans] 2nd draft of the Cpu/Auth Server howto online

2009-08-13 Thread Corey
http://www.p9dp.org/plan9-cpu-auth-server-howto.html This is likely to be the final draft; it has been optimized in various ways and I have thoroughly tested it multiple times. Sure would be terrific if a few folks of varying degrees of experience with Plan 9 could actually take the document

Re: [9fans] yet another installation guide

2009-08-13 Thread Corey
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 17:40:59 John Floren wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Coreyco...@bitworthy.net wrote: snip Thanks for the heads-up, John - I've included a timeout value on the plan9.ini menu in the next draft version of the howto. You're welcome, but I do think we'd all

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:14:19 GMT Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us wrote: So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of proportional fonts for programming in Acme. This surprised me, to say the

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 06:25:14 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, i missed some pids, the total number of usbd processes is 8: glenda50:00 0:00 356K Sleepusbd glenda60:00 0:00 356K Preadusbd glenda70:00 0:00

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
2009/8/13 Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com: Can you mk all /sys/src/libthread. This is bogging down a bit. Take it off-list? I did mk, and i tried the command again, thread 5 has no process information, thread 95 gives this: term% echo 'stacks()' | acid -l thread 95 /proc/95/text:386 plan 9

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
Its a default install, i didnt modify it. 2009/8/13 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Thu Aug 13 06:25:14 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, i missed some pids, the total number of usbd processes is 8: glenda            5    0:00   0:00      356K Sleep    usbd glenda    

[9fans] ugly eqn/troff result

2009-08-13 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Hello everyone Why do I get an ugly result when trying to typeset (in file 'a') .EQ a + left ( A + B right ) .EN with eqn a | troff | dpost -f a.ps? I am getting an equation in which the 'A+B' is significantly shifted downwards inside the (), so that the two pluses just don't line up...

[9fans] disk dma on before init /bin/rc

2009-08-13 Thread Fernan Bolando
Hi all The subject says it all. Is it possible to turn on dma before calling the init scripts? or in fossil+venti installation turn on dma before loading venti fernan -- http://www.fernski.com

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Rudolf Sykora
... Do I need venti to be able to use the dump feature? Thanks Ruda

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Noah Evans
Can you reboot the machine and then pastebin the full transcript of what happens from boot to your usbd error? AFAIK you shouldn't have two instances of usbd running. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bela Valekbval...@gmail.com wrote: Its a default install, i didnt modify it. 2009/8/13 erik

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 02:43:54 EDT 2009, 9...@9netics.com wrote: I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P. when you need the overall latency to be around 5ms, aren't you

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Neubauer
* Rudolf Sykora (rudolf.syk...@gmail.com) wrote: ... Do I need venti to be able to use the dump feature? Thanks Ruda Probably. You might get away with 9fs snap and having a peek at /n/snap, though. (I'm not sure as I haven't used fossil without venti backing of some sort in years.)

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
... Do I need venti to be able to use the dump feature? if you are using fossil, then yes. - erik

Re: [9fans] disk dma on before init /bin/rc

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 09:03:44 EDT 2009, fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: Hi all The subject says it all. Is it possible to turn on dma before calling the init scripts? or in fossil+venti installation turn on dma before loading venti with my new sd stuff, it is possible. put this in plan9.ini

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
it needs to be isochronous. i believe it has that capability. just keep multiple tags outstanding. at the device it needs to be isochronous; so if it's going over the wire, you need to build some elasticity in. or as media players would say: [ buffering... buffering... ] ☺

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Thu Aug 13 02:43:54 EDT 2009, 9...@9netics.com wrote: I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P. when you need

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 09:36:24 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: Plan 9 [...] init: starting /bin/rc grep: exec header invalid grep: exec header invalid grep: exec header invalid i'm pretty sure this is not a pristine install. somehow grep has gotten stomped on. - erik

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Noah Evans
Can add 'flag x +' to /rc/bin/usbstart and /rc/bin/termrc and post that output? I think I know your problem now. Also could you: echo | grep -s hello; echo $status My guess is that somehow your grep is borked and: if (! ps | grep -s ' usbd$') usb/usbd is succeeding in

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
2009/8/13 Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com: Can you reboot the machine and then pastebin the full transcript of what happens from boot to your usbd error? AFAIK you shouldn't have two instances of usbd running. Its very short, the error message comes early: Plan 9 E820: 0009f000

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
we don't use text for 9p, do we? the difference being, 9p is the transport not the representation of the data and 9p has a fixed set of messages. - erik

Re: [9fans] silly Q

2009-08-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
i certainly can't speak for the original designers, but i'd say aesthetics, mostly. putting bin before the arch type allows you to simply have fewer things in your home directory, which makes looking around easier. you can't really do that in the root. well, you could, binding, for example,

Re: [9fans] iwp9 paper submission deadline

2009-08-13 Thread Rodolfo (kix)
http://iwp9.quanstro.net/ :-) On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: it's fast approaching.  get those papers in.        http://iwp9.net - erik -- Rodolfo García kix EA4ERH - IN80ER

Re: [9fans] iwp9 paper submission deadline

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 10:06:44 EDT 2009, k...@kix.es wrote: http://iwp9.quanstro.net/ :-) On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: it's fast approaching.  get those papers in.        http://iwp9.net thanks for the correction. i got my wires crossed. i ment

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-13 Thread Fernan Bolando
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:57 AM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: a further note, if you rebuild your kernel, it won't work. installing the following contrib packages is required        quanstro/fis            (build and parse sata fises)        quanstro/sd             (new sd

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no suitable fat partition. no amount of partitioning and formatting under freedos or freebsd results in

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
I booted the FreeDOS disk and created a small partition (something like 50 MB) on the hard disk, leaving the rest unpartitioned. Then I installed FreeDOS to the small partition and started the Plan 9 installation. i don't have the 2e sources so i'm guessing. (apologies.)i don't know what

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, michael blockmichaelmuf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no suitable fat partition. no

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread Bela Valek
2009/8/13 Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com: Can add 'flag x +' to /rc/bin/usbstart and /rc/bin/termrc and post that output? I think I know your problem now. Also could you: echo  | grep -s hello; echo $status My guess is that somehow your grep is borked and:        if (! ps | grep -s '

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
you need venti for dumps, but not snapshots. do 9fs snap and then see if there's anything in /n/snap. these are ephemeral, not archival. i don't believe fossil ships with these turned on by default, so you're likely SOL, sorry. assuming my memory from my last install is correct, and it's not

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 10:16:09 EDT 2009, fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote:        quanstro/9load-e820     (to rebuild 9load) I am suppose to replace /sys/src/boot/pc with /sys/src/boot/pc-e820??? if you do reinstall, you will need to install from /sys/src/boot/pc-e820 not /sys/src/boot/pc. if you leave

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread David Leimbach
On 8/13/09, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: we don't use te*xt for 9p, do we? the difference being, 9p is the transport not the representation of the data and 9p has a fixed set of messages. Also 9p aims at file systems pretty obviously where Thirft is a generic RPC mechanism with

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
Devon H. O'Delldevon.od...@gmail.com wrote: // This is easily demonstrable with rhythm games (such as Rock // Band or Guitar Hero) where latency induced by a home audio // system (mine at home is about 15ms induced by my receiver // and 5ms using the Xbox digital output) can have a very //

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2009/8/13 Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com: you need venti for dumps, but not snapshots. do 9fs snap and then see if there's anything in /n/snap. these are ephemeral, not archival. i don't believe fossil ships with these turned on by default, so you're likely SOL, sorry. Well, after 9fs snap

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com: Devon H. O'Delldevon.od...@gmail.com wrote: // This is easily demonstrable with rhythm games (such as Rock // Band or Guitar Hero) where latency induced by a home audio // system (mine at home is about 15ms induced by my receiver // and 5ms using the

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
term% contrib/install quanstro/8169 8169 is already installed term% contrib/pull -s sys/src/9/pc 8169 term% hmm it says already installed, but I cant grep any reference to edev-maxtu okay, maybe there's not a problem. if it just compiles, then don't worry about it. otherwise, remove the

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200 Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. I vaguely remember reading that some ssh software would refuse

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread roger peppe
2009/8/13 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: On 8/13/09, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: we don't use te*xt for 9p, do we? the difference being, 9p is the transport not the representation of the data and 9p has a fixed set of messages. Also 9p aims at file systems pretty obviously

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:23, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, first note that I didn't have any luck with QEMU, I had to install on an actual 486. i have the same error with both qemu and period hardware. i'm running qemu-8.2.0 and a pentium 266MHz laptop. on the laptop both my

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200 Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1 too. I vaguely

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:26, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: i don't know what versions of fat 2e supported, but i would imagine restricting oneself to fat16 (and not fat16 lba) would be safest. i used fat16, i think lba. i figured plan 9 would be smart enough to deal with

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
you need to read fossilcons(8) for how to turn them on. the man page makes clear (i think) that there are two types of snapshots, archival and not. i think the default behavior is explained, too (see the description of snaptime).

[9fans] the atom versus glenda who won??

2009-08-13 Thread Fernan Bolando
since it seems customary to send out a shout everytime Eriks new sd stuff works here is mine I am now running plan9 on my atom based motherboard. It is configured as a cpu/auth server with fossil+vent filesystem The band-aid works!!! thanks Erik -- http://www.fernski.com

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread hiro
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has a Guitar Hero set up in the lobby, but you need to bring your own headphones. I didn't have any on me, so tried playing by sight only. It went really poorly. Our visual perception is very unreliable, whereas our acoustic timing can be very accurate.

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of proportional fonts for programming in Acme. This surprised me, to say the least. He even went as

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
i found where the 0x20 came from. it should be 20, not 0x20. anway, it comes from ahci:/^mkalist. l-flags specifies that the fis is 0x5 dwords = 20 bytes. either i missed the explaination in the ahci docs about why this is or it's a bit magic. - erik

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Christopher Nielsen
Been reading the thread with interest, and I finally have a moment to comment. I was thinking about this several years ago when I had a lot of spare time on my hands and wanted to rethink and update the audio interface, and I think a lot of what you are suggesting sounds similar to the

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread ron minnich
I always get a kick out of this exchange:http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/comp.os.plan9/msg02052.html

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: Here's a complete list of audio formats that one can make hardware either generate or accept. Where do you draw the line? This is incorrect, you don't make hardware do anything, the software layer that sits on top of the

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 18:36:41 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I always get a kick out of this exchange:http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/comp.os.plan9/msg02052.html it took me at least 5 seconds to realize that abaco was formatting that page correctly. ☺ the key to the joke, however, is there is

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
My list was only there to try and prove the point that Russ has made -- pick a most common format and stick with it. Convert everything else into it. By this logic, I need to have my application to convert CDROM-XA ADPCM audio from a device into PCM just to talk to an interface, which in

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Daniel Lyons fus...@storytotell.orgwrote: On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of proportional fonts for

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Christopher Nielsen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 15:52, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: My list was only there to try and prove the point that Russ has made -- pick a most common format and stick with it. Convert everything else into it. By this logic, I need to have my application to convert CDROM-XA

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
erik quanstrom wrote: My list was only there to try and prove the point that Russ has made -- pick a most common format and stick with it. Convert everything else into it. By this logic, I need to have my application to convert CDROM-XA ADPCM audio from a device into PCM just to talk to an

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
However if you are instead suggesting that it will take time to support other formats other than signed 16-bit little-endian samples. I have no problem with a driver developer initially starting there leaving it incomplete. At least someone has the potential to add such support. i don't

[9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Since the how-to's are being discussed recently, I thought it would be a good time to ask: Once, it used to be the standard configuration to have one machine as a CPU/auth server, one machine as a file server, and one machine as a terminal, for a total of three systems, if one had the

Re: [9fans] 2nd draft of the Cpu/Auth Server howto online

2009-08-13 Thread Fernan Bolando
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Coreyco...@bitworthy.net wrote: http://www.p9dp.org/plan9-cpu-auth-server-howto.html This is likely to be the final draft; it has been optimized in various ways and I have thoroughly tested it multiple times. Sure would be terrific if a few folks of

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I drawterm all the time. Lately I have started using 9vx for quick hacks and then cpu from it to wherever I want to go. It has its quirks (not as stable as drawterm) but I'm not complaining. With drawterm being so solid and well integrated with X11/OSX I haven't had the need to dedicate a

Re: [9fans] 2nd draft of the Cpu/Auth Server howto online

2009-08-13 Thread Corey
On Thursday 13 August 2009 17:36:43 Fernan Bolando wrote: I recently used your guide to setup a cpu server. I have to say that it was a lot clearer than the wiki version. I did remember needing to uncomment the lines below in cpurc based on my old install. # if(! test -e

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
So, I guess that means venti+fossil+cpu on one headless machine in some forgotten corner of the datacentre. regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone fileserver. it really does stink if your fs goes down for no reason at all. this

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Federico G. Benavento
no that data center here, but hopefully at a corner of the room On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, andrey mirtchovskimirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: I drawterm all the time. Lately I have started using 9vx for quick hacks and then cpu from it to wherever I want to go. It has its quirks (not as

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread blstuart
Once, it used to be the standard configuration to have one machine as a CPU/auth server, one machine as a file server, and one machine as a terminal, for a total of three systems, if one had the available hardware. The power in that model comes primarily when you have a number of terminals

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
erik quanstrom wrote: I don't see the complexity, the interface merely needs to allow device drivers to provide the information such as I support x y z, the application can query a features file, select a format and write back through the interface configuring the hardware. The interface

Re: [9fans] 2nd draft of the Cpu/Auth Server howto online

2009-08-13 Thread Corey
On Thursday 13 August 2009 18:01:03 Corey wrote: snip * finally it is the goal of the howto to be as simple as possible and no simpler - Step 5 is straight-forward and internally consistent with the rest of the document Just a quick aside, in order to better satisfy the stated goal is why I

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: So, I guess that means venti+fossil+cpu on one headless machine in some forgotten corner of the datacentre. regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
James Tomaschkeja...@orcasystems.com wrote: // ...you limit freedom by placing a simple interface into kernelspace. are you serious?

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement conversions.  This is because you limit freedom by placing a

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one. coraid's configuration using ken's fs is outlined here

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
Devon H. O'Dell wrote: 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement conversions. This is because you limit freedom by placing a simple interface into

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
Anthony Sorace wrote: James Tomaschkeja...@orcasystems.com wrote: // ...you limit freedom by placing a simple interface into kernelspace. are you serious? Show me how forcing a single sample format on the user increases their freedom in developing audio applications.

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 17:36 +0200, hiro wrote: This sounds like exactly the kind of thing one wants from an audio driver for playback. For recording things get slightly more complicated. What exactly do you mean? Now that I understand what Tim is trying to do my original concern makes no

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 11:55 -0600, Daniel Lyons wrote: I'd love it if Acme or Plan 9 had good support for some kind of Lisp variant. Speaking of which (or may be not ;-)) is there anybody using Lua on Plan9? Thanks, Roman. P.S. The more I look into Lua (as a way to help C refuge start doing

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Charles Forsyth
Hardware 24...@192khz. the human ear can't hear as high as that still, it ought to please any passing bat! Hi-fi, hi-fi, ...

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
Charles Forsyth wrote: Hardware 24...@192khz. the human ear can't hear as high as that still, it ought to please any passing bat! Hi-fi, hi-fi, ... So if i instead said 24...@44.1khz would it make any difference on my argument? please. You are right, however 192kHz means the DAC bandwidth

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread Uriel
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM, David Leimbachleim...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/13/09, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: we don't use te*xt for 9p, do we? the difference being, 9p is the transport not the representation of the data and 9p has a fixed set of messages. Also 9p aims at

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone fileserver. it really does stink if your fs goes down for no reason at all. this is especially true if you're doing a lot of experimenting or don't have a proper terminal. Amen! Three

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Devon H. O'Dell wrote: 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com: Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement conversions.  This is because you limit

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread Nate S
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Urielurie...@gmail.com wrote: The software industry is the ultimate recreation of Sisyphus' curse. uriel There's really no point in worrying about that.

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
This is starting to remind me of two things: 1) The case where this guy did a review of two different audio processors, and labeled the DAC of one as inferior to the other. He posted audio files of the resulting output from one and the other. Except he posted the exact same link for both of them.

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread James Tomaschke
Devon H. O'Dell wrote: If hardware is 2...@192, #A is 2...@192 I am not aware that #A allows for 24bit samples, I only see an option speed to set sampling rates. The man page says: Each sample is a 16 bit little-endian two's complement integer. I was only going by what the manpage said,