Re: [9fans] i3 machine

2021-03-31 Thread ori
> Is this table correct? cat '#P/archctl' cpu Core 2/Xeon 2503 pge It's actually a Kaby Lake, as far as I can tell. That table is definitely not correct. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] i3 machine

2021-03-31 Thread kokamoto
Family=6, Model=3A applies to all of the 3rd Generation Core i CPUs. I examined those among the machines I have, and got the results as: x86intel[] table in /sys/src/9/pc/devarch.c, like: x86intel[]= { /* {6, 0x3A, 16, "Core i7"}, */ { 6,0x3A, 16, "3rd Gen Core

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> Anonymous AWK Fan, > > I believe you’re under a misapprehension about how copyrights and > source ownership work. You’re asking for solutions to problem that > don’t exist. Take the BCM code RM contributed to Plan 9, for instance. > Such contributions are considered a “gift” to the larger

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Shiro
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> > wrote: > >> Instead of cluttering the mailing list, can you go >> through the list of applied patches, track down the >> authors, mail them off list about whether they have >> objections to having their code

Re: [9fans] p9f email address

2021-03-31 Thread Richard Miller
> is there an email address to contact p9f directly? bo...@p9f.org goes to everyone on the board. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta6a7f3df36695764-M9c6490d4e2b4b5bb43a88ce9 Delivery options:

[9fans] p9f email address

2021-03-31 Thread Steve Simon
hi is there an email address to contact p9f directly? -Steve -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta6a7f3df36695764-M37542a3e3d005c764b8773fe Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Richard Miller
>> I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK >> to be redistributed under the MIT license. > Is the new one in your contrib directory OK to be redistributed under > the MIT license too? That's what it says on the index webpage, and I know no reason to believe otherwise. I'm

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread ori
Quoth Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > Instead of cluttering the mailing list, can you go > > through the list of applied patches, track down the > > authors, mail them off list about whether they have > > objections to having their code relicensed, and > > forward their

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread ori
Quoth Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > Instead of cluttering the mailing list, can you go > > through the list of applied patches, track down the > > authors, mail them off list about whether they have > > objections to having their code relicensed, and > > forward their

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> Instead of cluttering the mailing list, can you go > through the list of applied patches, track down the > authors, mail them off list about whether they have > objections to having their code relicensed, and > forward their responses in one batch? It appears many patches were submitted

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread ori
Quoth Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK > > to be redistributed under the MIT license. > > Is the new one in your contrib directory OK to be redistributed under > the MIT license too? > Instead of cluttering the

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> As for what to do about a hypothetical patch rewriting a kernel > function that someone mailed to Bell Labs in 2003, well, I don't know. https://groups.google.com/g/plan9changes has many examples of patches contributed to Plan 9. -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK > to be redistributed under the MIT license. Is the new one in your contrib directory OK to be redistributed under the MIT license too? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Richard Miller
> Richard Miller being in this very thread, you could presumably get him > to say "I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK > to be redistributed under the MIT license" and be done with it. I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK to be redistributed

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> > The code under discussion > > in Richard Miller's contributed bcm kernel. > > The web page http://9p.io/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm says > "Distributed under the MIT License" with a link to the p9f text. > Is that not explicit enough? the issue with that is AFAIK you didn't agree to have it

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> Richard Miller being in this very thread, you could presumably get him > to say "I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK > to be redistributed under the MIT license" and be done with it. Or > declare the opposite, and the p9f can remove the kernel from the > source. The

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Richard Miller
> The code under discussion > in Richard Miller's contributed bcm kernel. The web page http://9p.io/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm says "Distributed under the MIT License" with a link to the p9f text. Is that not explicit enough? That's the whole bcm kernel (a superset of what appears in an

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread John Floren
Richard Miller being in this very thread, you could presumably get him to say "I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK to be redistributed under the MIT license" and be done with it. Or declare the opposite, and the p9f can remove the kernel from the source. As for what to

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Summer of Code

2021-03-31 Thread Anthony Sorace
Hi there. Our wiki got confused. We're still looking into what caused it to get confused in the first place, but I've given it a prod and things seem to be working properly again now. Thank you for the report. And you are definitely not late! The student application period only opened on

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread arnold
Nobody is disgruntled (that we know about). The code under discussion in Richard Miller's contributed bcm kernel. Arnold Jeremy Jackins wrote: > Seems to me that there is always going to be some non-zero risk of lawsuits > when making a change like this, but clearly the foundation was

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> Everything up to and including the initial 4th edition release should be > fully MIT licensed because the old Plan 9 license gave Lucent unrestricted > rights to modifications. Excluding things explicitly said otherwise. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
Everything up to and including the initial 4th edition release should be fully MIT licensed because the old Plan 9 license gave Lucent unrestricted rights to modifications. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> I assume any code in contrib/ has its author’s copyright unless there is an > explicit copyright. The code I'm talking about is in the Plan 9 tree, I've found /sys/src/9/bcm/ as one example and I think there are probably more. -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Bakul Shah
Are you suggesting either getting an explicit permission from the authors or excising such code included in plan9? I assume any code in contrib/ has its author’s copyright unless there is an explicit copyright. > On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> >

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Don Bailey
Can this question be resolved by a source tree that depicts license by path? In other words, if things are contributed outside of what the MIT License would support, is that notated somewhere? This way, people with these concerns can easily separate known from uncertain licensed objects? Also, is

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Robert Sherwood
If you are concerned about a contribution of yours that is present in one of the recently released archives, you should take it up privately with the foundation. If you are planning to use or create a commercial product, a review with your attorneys is strongly suggested. Otherwise I don't see a

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> > The issue is that there is some code in Plan 9 not written at > > Bell Labs which doesn't explicitly specify any license. > > What actual code are you reffering to? /sys/src/9/bcm, for example. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Jeremy Jackins
Seems to me that there is always going to be some non-zero risk of lawsuits when making a change like this, but clearly the foundation was comfortable with the risk. So what's the point of this discussion? Who are these disgruntled contributors you are speaking on behalf of? On Wed, 31 Mar 2021

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread kvik
> It’s all the code that everyone is using. > The issue is that there is some code in Plan 9 not written at > Bell Labs which doesn't explicitly specify any license. What actual code are you reffering to? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> The LPL is dead. It died when all the Plan 9 IP was transferred to the > foundation. > > Nokia is out of the picture. > > So let's realign this discussion a bit. The Plan 9 source formerly > owned by Nokia is owned by the foundation. That source is released > under the MIT license. > > As for

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread G. David Butler
The issue is ownership and grants. Not the code the foundation now owns and grants with a MIT license. It’s all the code that everyone is using. See the following email thread:

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread ron minnich
The LPL is dead. It died when all the Plan 9 IP was transferred to the foundation. Nokia is out of the picture. So let's realign this discussion a bit. The Plan 9 source formerly owned by Nokia is owned by the foundation. That source is released under the MIT license. As for the inclusion of

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Summer of Code

2021-03-31 Thread jayantanand2001
Hey, my name is Jayant Anand, I am currently an undergrad at IIT Dhanbad, I have a good knowledge of Operating system and I am willing to contribute to Plan 9. It might be late but  I was trying to access the idealist for the GSoC (http://p9f.org/wiki/gsoc-2021-ideas/index.html) and I am

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> > As I interpret it, we'd need Nokia to re-release Plan 9 under a Lucent > > Public License version 1.03 which would be the MIT license for > > contributions to be relicensed (if I'm interpreting it correctly the > > GPL release of Plan 9 couldn't apply to contributions either.) > > I Am Not A

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread arnold
"Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > As I interpret it, we'd need Nokia to re-release Plan 9 under a Lucent > Public License version 1.03 which would be the MIT license for > contributions to be relicensed (if I'm interpreting it correctly the > GPL release of Plan 9 couldn't

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans
> > I'm talking about things like the bcm kernel contributed by Richard Miller > > in the 4e-latest tarball, they weren't written at Bell Labs but were > > contributed back to Plan 9. > > I would have thought any third party code in the /sys/src tree is considered > to be a "Contribution" as

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread Richard Miller
> I'm talking about things like the bcm kernel contributed by Richard Miller in > the 4e-latest tarball, they weren't written at Bell Labs but were contributed > back to Plan 9. I would have thought any third party code in the /sys/src tree is considered to be a "Contribution" as defined in the