Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
270 web form passwords or internet passwords in my keychain. Does factotum handle web passwords? yes, it does. abaco and hget already use factotum for http passwords. with me. Could factotum be adapt to integrate with a browser and store web form secrets? If so that would be a

Re: [9fans] Intel atom motherboard - success at last

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
I went through all the default during the install and during fmtfossil I got a few matherror something and it crashed. I t wen too fast for me to take notes. this is due to the awk problem reported this week. i'll roll up another cd this evening. with ide turned off, you probablly just

Re: [9fans] binary sprint format

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 6 20:03:20 EDT 2009, a.vera...@tecmav.com wrote: Hi, all I'm trying to convert integers in text binary format by sprint(..., %b, i), but 8c issue a format mismatch b INT warning message. Can anyone kindly explain to me my mistake ? Doesn't %b behave like the other

Re: [9fans] binary sprint format

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
i believe you need to update your libc.h. you need pragmas for the b format, which were added 2007/0108. - erik I'm using a distribution downloaded about 2 months ago. The machine has been installed from scratch. perhaps you have not included everything necessary? ; cat

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
These are reasonable questions (and many of them have yes as the answer ;-)) but I have a more fundamental objection here: the desktop is just NOT the place for such a functionality to originate from. The very concept of a fixed desktop that resides on a physical piece of hardware that

Re: [9fans] Intel atom motherboard - success at last

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 6 19:36:22 EDT 2009, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I went through all the default during the install and during fmtfossil I got a few matherror something and it crashed. I t wen too fast for me to take notes. this is due to the awk problem reported this week. i'll

Re: [9fans] Acme Configuration

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
By default I think rio runs acme with -l lib/acme.dump, but you can certainly have as many of these around as you'd like. this is controlled by lib/profile, rather than rio. - erik

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
You should be able to hack /sys/src/cmd/init.c to make it start whatever you want after booting, based on init(8), but I haven't tried it. The man page says it prompts for a password on the cpu server, but that doesn't happen; the source has a pass function but it's not called anywhere. it

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
The 4th edition should run on a 486, though you will need (say) 128Mb of ram - much more if you want to recompile gs(1). i got a couple of 64mb via terminals a few years ago. they were fine for normal work, compiling the kernel, even with the giant myricom driver, even with 64mb. cpu(1)

Re: [9fans] USB HDD connection problem

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Aug 7 02:53:14 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: There is more: I don't have a usbdisk manpage. '%man usbdisk' complains that its not there, but if i do a '%lookman usbdisk', the manpage is listed as a hit, so it must be in the search index. [...] - usb/disk gives this:

Re: [9fans] binary sprint format

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Aug 7 04:44:37 EDT 2009, com...@panix.com wrote: In article 4a7b6ef7.6090...@tecmav.com, Adriano Verardo a.vera...@tecmav.com wrote: I'm trying to convert integers in text binary format by sprint(..., %b, i), but 8c issue a format mismatch b INT warning message. Can anyone kindly

Re: [9fans] Acme Configuration

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
ok, the last might be pushing it a bit, but ideally i'd like to be able to dump an acme session and restore it without any loss of continuity, and the Undo/Redo history is a very useful part of my acme context. - Dump would dump to the restored-from file rather than $home/acme.dump by

[9fans] mtrr

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
the mtrr() call in the kernel can error. vgavesa doesn't protect against this possibility. i think that this change couldn't hurt for those who are having trouble with vesa vgavesa.c:133,142 - /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/vgavesa.c:133,139 if(size 16*1024*1024) /* probably

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Aug 8 00:47:40 EDT 2009, davide...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: would you expect to have a bad spot in 2,000 fujitsu eagles? If you do, I have a repair manual. i prefer two strong oxen. - erik

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread erik quanstrom
i was going to say that having Plan 9 ported to your platform seemed like a bad omen for your company, but equally valid is the observation that being a platform vender (other than Apple) is bad for your company. ibm seems to be doing ok. but sequent, the original home of ken's fs kernels,

[9fans] fix // comments

2009-08-09 Thread erik quanstrom
/n/sources/contrib/quanstro/bcmt will turn // comments into style(6)-approved comments. it deals with end-of-line comments, single comments and block comments. it's ment to be used from acme so it is likely unfit for scripting. for example, // Ignore network errors here. If we fail

Re: [9fans] Unexpected 8c warning message

2009-08-09 Thread erik quanstrom
It's a pity. In other - more complicated - situations I found such warnings appropriate and very helpful. Could that case be recognised during the variable-scope analysis on the intermediate format (tuples ?) ? I don't remember what D.Gries and others said about and I don't know the 8c

Re: [9fans] manpages broken/outdated

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
i started this, i think. sorry. On Mon Aug 10 06:17:40 EDT 2009, urie...@gmail.com wrote: If it is of any consolation, it seems to be here: http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/4/usbdisk this man page is out-of-date. you should remove it. it belongs to the old usb setup. usb(4) now has the correct

Re: [9fans] manpages broken/outdated

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Aug 10 08:30:37 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: Erik: thank you for helping, I see that the usb(4) manpage is up to date. The old usbdisk(4) manpage had a working example for attaching a FAT filesystem formatted USB hardrive. Can you tell me, where I can find the updated version of

Re: [9fans] Using Guide Files

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
I assume Run works similarly? That is, I can put Run in a directory's tag, highlight a filename in that directory, then highlight a command and apply it to Run with 2-1 to run the command on the file? posting to 9fans is now easier than typing 3 characters and three mouse actions. wow! -

[9fans] bind vs. 9660srv

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
i mentioned a few days ago that bind and 9660srv were not agreeing. i tracked this down a bit further and am now quite confused. here's the initial symptom ; 9660srv ; mount /srv/9660 /n/cd0 /n/other/ftp/plan9.iso ; du -s /n/cd0/386/bin 80143 /n/cd1/386/bin

Re: [9fans] SATA inst: some progress

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Aug 10 09:16:37 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: preparing menu ... fossil 833: suicide: sys: fp: stack overflow fppc=0x23304 status=0x82c1 pc=0x23308 I think this is one of the bizarre side effects you can get from trying to start vesa graphics on a multiprocessor. Does erik's

Re: [9fans] Unexpected 8c warning message

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
Absolutely true. But I got a subtle compiler message about a very very simple and short piece of code. how is the compiler supposed to determine if the code in question is short and simple? in your case, you can either provide a dummy assignment or use SET(var) to inform 8c that it can

Re: [9fans] validateaddress

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
would be interesting to see *(0x16548\s). have you tried truss(1)ing that process? - erik

Re: [9fans] bind vs. 9660srv

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
but should say (untested) s/un(tested)/\1 No one noticed before because most 9P2000 servers assume they are being used correctly and implement a simpler check: if offset == 0, seek to beginning, otherwise continue where the last read left off. ken fs does so i'm still a bit puzzled. -

Re: [9fans] bind vs. 9660srv

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
Not the code I'm looking at (/sys/src/cmd/cwfs/9p2.c) start += n; if(start offset) continue; if(count n){ putbuf(p1); goto out1; } i think that it recomputes what the offset should be, which might work as long as the

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
I wonder whether 'auth/cron -c' is the culprit, when I first run '/sys/lib/newuser' for bootes. no sense wondering. read the source. /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c you could also use trump to trace the calls. - erik

Re: [9fans] validateaddress

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Aug 10 23:59:56 EDT 2009, aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Thanks Erik. However I don't know how to truss running process. Kenji Arisawa for example: ; cat truss.c #include u.h #include libc.h void main(void) { for(;;) sleep(10*1000); } ; 8c -FVTw truss.c

Re: [9fans] yet another installation guide

2009-08-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Aug 11 01:02:13 EDT 2009, co...@bitworthy.net wrote: I finished the first draft of a cpu/auth server installation/configuration howto: http://www.p9dp.org/plan9-cpu-auth-server-howto.html It would be great if whoever's interested, and has a bit of time could check it out, try

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
i'll be working on this today. you are unfortunately running and old kernel which is causing trouble. (as noted by fernanbolando.) this is my fault for building a bogus iso. - erik

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
sdiahci: drive 0 in state ready after 0 resets # SATA HD with Plan 9 system on it that's good. i hope i've corrected the debug prints. in this case drive n is sdEn. sdiahci: drive 1 won't come up; in state new after 10 resets # SATA DVD sdE1 waitready: [new] task=50 sstat=113 sdE1

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
First of all, thank you very much for your work, Eric ! you're welcome. unfortunately, so far we haven't made any progress. this is a jmicron bug. i haven't yet had in my possession a jmicron controller, so this will be interesting, but the new driver does have code to work around

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
i don't know where it's getting the 9pcf that it's putting in 9fat. it doesn't appear to be the same as /386/9pcf from the cd. (there's only one.) as soon as i figure that out, this will probablly all work. okay. the cd was rolled correctly, but i discovered a potential source of

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
When I download this ISO, it gets to what appears to be the last byte then aborts. i tried this and it works for me. in the interest of time, and not further overloading my dsl line, i downloaded over the local interface, and not going out through the intertubes. if you were downloading

[9fans] inaccurate etheroq accounting

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
i was looking to add bytes transmited to /net/ether?/stats accounting but was derailed because the existing accounting seems inaccurate. i'm pretty sure that etheroq can be called concurrently on the same ether, so doesn't that make the outpackets inaccurate at high packet rates on an mp machine?

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
last 2 lines says Boot devices: fd0 ether0 boot from: I will investigate further. judging from past email, i'm guessing that your ide device is 27c4, which was missing from 9load. i put up a corrected cd. if you can ftpfs from your mostly-installed machine and get just 9load.bz2,

Re: [9fans] yet another installation guide

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
authdomain - The authentication domain name used for the auth services your server will be supplying. it's not a domain name. often people make the authentication domain the same as their dns domain, since we now live in an ip world. but it's just a text token. no heirarchy. no partial

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
- Is there any interest in unifying the existing audio formats? - If so, is anyone interested in bouncing around ideas of what this format should look like? this is probablly super obvious. but as one as you pick a cannonical format as is the plan 9 custom (like for character sets, images,

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
Instead of writing translators I'd rather pick a single convention that seems the most suitable and fixup the other implementations and clients to fall in line with those conventions. My biggest question is is it worth my time? If I spend time unifying the various implementations, will they

Re: [9fans] Using Guide Files

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Aug 11 23:18:02 EDT 2009, jason.cat...@gmail.com wrote: Given how useful and important it is to have Edit in the tag of text windows, is there some reason that it isn't there automatically? Probably to avoid temptation for files you shouldn't, and see at a glance which files you

Re: [9fans] Acme niceties

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
(Did you ever notice it puts it back when it's done? Error window pops up, mouse moves there; delete the window, mouse moves back.) worth one smile per day, after all these years. - erik

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-11 Thread erik quanstrom
It would be nice, I think, to do it out of the kernel ... still better to do it in a way that makes it easy to adopt new audio formats without having to rip out the guts each time and start over -- which seems to be the linux problem. i'm just glad they don't do this with disks. we have scsi

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-12 Thread erik quanstrom
In fact, perhaps even the page(1) command is falwed. What should've happened was a next layer over rio, where /dev/draw/n/data would be able to accept any kind of image encoding. i think page is a good thing. pushing data translation to the edges makes programs like resample much simplier.

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-12 Thread erik quanstrom
I don't think I buy this point of view. Gratuitous flexibility is not something Plan 9 is known for, nor should it. IMHO. those with such talents don't generally enjoy a good reputation. but i hear they make great money on the internet. - erik

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-12 Thread erik quanstrom
Am I totally missing something or hasn't been the binary RPC of that style been dead ever since SUNRPC? Hasn't the eulogy been delivered by CORBA? Haven't folks realized that S-exprs are really quite good for data serialization in the heterogeneous environments (especially when they are

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 06:25:14 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, i missed some pids, the total number of usbd processes is 8: glenda50:00 0:00 356K Sleepusbd glenda60:00 0:00 356K Preadusbd glenda70:00 0:00

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 02:43:54 EDT 2009, 9...@9netics.com wrote: I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P. when you need the overall latency to be around 5ms, aren't you

Re: [9fans] undelete a file

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
... Do I need venti to be able to use the dump feature? if you are using fossil, then yes. - erik

Re: [9fans] disk dma on before init /bin/rc

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 09:03:44 EDT 2009, fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: Hi all The subject says it all. Is it possible to turn on dma before calling the init scripts? or in fossil+venti installation turn on dma before loading venti with my new sd stuff, it is possible. put this in plan9.ini

Re: [9fans] usbd error message

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 09:36:24 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: Plan 9 [...] init: starting /bin/rc grep: exec header invalid grep: exec header invalid grep: exec header invalid i'm pretty sure this is not a pristine install. somehow grep has gotten stomped on. - erik

Re: [9fans] Thrift RPC

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
we don't use text for 9p, do we? the difference being, 9p is the transport not the representation of the data and 9p has a fixed set of messages. - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9 paper submission deadline

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 10:06:44 EDT 2009, k...@kix.es wrote: http://iwp9.quanstro.net/ :-) On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: it's fast approaching.  get those papers in.        http://iwp9.net thanks for the correction. i got my wires crossed. i ment

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
I booted the FreeDOS disk and created a small partition (something like 50 MB) on the hard disk, leaving the rest unpartitioned. Then I installed FreeDOS to the small partition and started the Plan 9 installation. i don't have the 2e sources so i'm guessing. (apologies.)i don't know what

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 10:16:09 EDT 2009, fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote:        quanstro/9load-e820     (to rebuild 9load) I am suppose to replace /sys/src/boot/pc with /sys/src/boot/pc-e820??? if you do reinstall, you will need to install from /sys/src/boot/pc-e820 not /sys/src/boot/pc. if you leave

Re: [9fans] oh, no! (again)

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
term% contrib/install quanstro/8169 8169 is already installed term% contrib/pull -s sys/src/9/pc 8169 term% hmm it says already installed, but I cant grep any reference to edev-maxtu okay, maybe there's not a problem. if it just compiles, then don't worry about it. otherwise, remove the

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:26, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: i don't know what versions of fat 2e supported, but i would imagine restricting oneself to fat16 (and not fat16 lba) would be safest. i used fat16, i think lba. i figured plan 9 would be smart enough to deal with

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
i found where the 0x20 came from. it should be 20, not 0x20. anway, it comes from ahci:/^mkalist. l-flags specifies that the fis is 0x5 dwords = 20 bytes. either i missed the explaination in the ahci docs about why this is or it's a bit magic. - erik

Re: [9fans] Using proportional fonts in Acme for Programming

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 13 18:36:41 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I always get a kick out of this exchange:http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/comp.os.plan9/msg02052.html it took me at least 5 seconds to realize that abaco was formatting that page correctly. ☺ the key to the joke, however, is there is

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
My list was only there to try and prove the point that Russ has made -- pick a most common format and stick with it. Convert everything else into it. By this logic, I need to have my application to convert CDROM-XA ADPCM audio from a device into PCM just to talk to an interface, which in

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
However if you are instead suggesting that it will take time to support other formats other than signed 16-bit little-endian samples. I have no problem with a driver developer initially starting there leaving it incomplete. At least someone has the potential to add such support. i don't

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
So, I guess that means venti+fossil+cpu on one headless machine in some forgotten corner of the datacentre. regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone fileserver. it really does stink if your fs goes down for no reason at all. this

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one. coraid's configuration using ken's fs is outlined here

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
The venti archive starts at 2AM, and my cron job is at 4AM. So far, I've not yet had an archive take longer than 2 hours. But that's partly due to triggering one explicitly after a pull that's just replaced all my executables ;-) that's surprising to me that it would take that long. is that

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Without them, your seperate venti server is JBOD :-P Well, not quite. You can eventually find the right vac score, but you have to manually mount each and every score in the venti until you find the right one. See /sys/src/cmd/venti/words/dumpvacroots. You could probably semi-automate the

Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Personally I can't hear over 9119 hz (audio), but I might want to record 1s of 192Khz (samples I presume) and stretch them by 100x to 9600 hz (audio) and have a (possibly) interesting time listening to the results without interpolating. perfect customer for the Phone Company! ☺ - erik

Re: [9fans] HP: Printing with the Illiterate

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
I thought IJS was also used to turn a raster into PCL, since IIRC some non-business-class HP printers come with a stripped-down PCL 5e or some such. I'm probably wrong again, though. I try to not think about the HP PDLs too much. Probably it's not IJS I'm thinking of and some other cruft

Re: [9fans] HP: Printing with the Illiterate

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Suggestions (model, company, etc.) welcome. Although, this thing can do photoscanning, copying, and faxing. I make great use of the former two, along with printing (of course). this isn't a recommendation. i don't have one. but i was thinking about getting something along the lines of this

Re: [9fans] Dell E4300?

2009-08-15 Thread erik quanstrom
Anyone here had a chance to try a Dell E4300? It's a nice, compact system, but it really refuses to boot Plan 9: It has on-board SATA hd, SATA cd-rom, etc. I tried quanstro's 9atom.iso, and with the SATA controller in AHCI mode, it'll start booting, but hangs at: 4 =

Re: [9fans] USB Input Devices Support

2009-08-16 Thread erik quanstrom
Hi everyone, I previously sent in a post, but I think it was completely overlooked due to the heated discussions at the time. I have previously corresponded with Russ Cox and Eric re: the problems I am having getting a plan9 boot on the mac-minis that I am using. Has anyone successfully

Re: [9fans] Dell E4300?

2009-08-16 Thread erik quanstrom
there's a new ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom.iso.bz2 It has on-board SATA hd, SATA cd-rom, etc. I tried quanstro's 9atom.iso, and with the SATA controller in AHCI mode, it'll start booting, but hangs at: 4 = 818807+1020832+474972=2314611 entry: f0100020 Plan 9 okay. i allowed

Re: [9fans] Dell E4300?

2009-08-16 Thread erik quanstrom
I recall reading that the CD is otherwise identical to the stock version. So, if I recompile the kernel, it'll break, right? What utterances do I need to enter in order to rebuild the kernel as it appears on the 9atom cd? the short answer is that you can't, exactly — yet. here's the

Re: [9fans] Dell E4300?

2009-08-16 Thread erik quanstrom
boot: can't connect to file server: '#S/sdD0' file does not exist panic: boot process died: unknown panic: boot process died: unknown dumpstack disabled cpo0: exiting fixed. you should now be able to boot from the cd regardless of which port you've plugged it into sdE5 should be fine. I

Re: [9fans] vga and vmware

2009-08-17 Thread erik quanstrom
/dev/vgactl says 0xe000 has 0x3c mapped. Enough for 1024x768x4 bytes but not enoug hfor 1280x1024x4 bytes. I patched vgavmware.c line 179 to allocate 2*vmrd(vm, Rfbsize) instead of vmrd(vm, Rfbsize) and now I'm able to go into 1280x1024x8 mode. This is obviously just a hack, I

Re: [9fans] securing venti and fileservers was: (vac errors after updating to latest p9p archive)

2009-08-17 Thread erik quanstrom
0) Venti contains neither authentication nor authorization. If you care, you are advised to stick it on a trusted network, or listen only on loopback. 1) The venti protocol reserves space for auth (see VtTauth0 and VtTauth1 in /sys/include/venti.h), but I'm pretty sure nobody implements

[9fans] iwp9 papers

2009-08-17 Thread erik quanstrom
remember, the deadline is fast approaching. please send your submissions to iwp9pa...@quanstro.net. more information here: http://iwp9.org - erik

Re: [9fans] Awakening the Dormant and Printing with the Illiterate

2009-08-17 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Aug 18 00:42:24 EDT 2009, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: make sure you teach cat(1) the -v flag. that should make some people very happy and will widely be regarded as a good move ;) i believe the point here is that the first paper i read on plan 9 Plan 9 from Bell Labs,

Re: [9fans] drawterm hangups

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
every so often using drawterm (mac os version) i've been getting a hangup. it's not a sudden thing - rio continues running, but first i lose keyboard input, then mouse input. wireless connection to the server? - erik

Re: [9fans] vmware oddity (Fusion on Mac OS X)

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Aug 18 10:28:44 EDT 2009, leim...@gmail.com wrote: now i am getting repeated soverflow for fx-in messages repeatedly. it sounds like the interrupt handler takes long enough that there is no time to process the incoming frames. i wonder, are you running venti? - erik

Re: [9fans] vmware oddity (Fusion on Mac OS X)

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
it sounds like the interrupt handler takes long enough that there is no time to process the incoming frames. i wonder, are you running venti? I am, and venti took a long time to start at boot this time around. I suppose I should just run fossil in vmware. well, there are a couple

Re: [9fans] sed oddity

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
is there some reason why sed doesn't check for write errors on its stdout? (or at least it doesn't report them) /n/sources/patch/sederrors while i agree that sed seems more complicated that i would like when debugging, eating errors seems like the wrong thing to do. it seems easy enough

Re: [9fans] The first annual Hello, World challenge

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Your goal: hello, world in one line. Language of your choice. Linking in a 512 MB library is a violation of the spirit of this contest. Additional rules: - line length is not defined but let's be reasonable - if you can fit it in a standard Hollerith card format (72 chars plus 8 chars of

Re: [9fans] USB Input Devices Support

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Aug 18 18:18:50 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote: Also, usb keyboard/mouse start at boot using a `boot protocol', IIRC, they look to software as older keyboard/mouse as long as you don't touch the usb bus. One way to go would be to remove usb code during install, but I didn't try this

Re: [9fans] Dell E4300?

2009-08-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Does this include the cd writer bug fixed that we had recently? i'm not sure what you're referring to. it includes all the fixes that have been made. Will i break my installation if I do replica/pull? it should not. local changes are supposed to be preserved. i have not tried a pull

Re: [9fans] broken contrib source

2009-08-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Aug 19 18:05:36 EDT 2009, slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: And, while it didn't bring mk -k to a grinding halt, I did notice that, with nupas installed, cd /sys/src/cmd/upas; objtype=arm mk install chokes on /sys/src/cmd/upas/imap4.c/imap4.c. nupas compiles with [78q]c. i hadn't considered

Re: [9fans] broken contrib source

2009-08-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Aug 19 18:28:05 EDT 2009, quans...@coraid.com wrote: On Wed Aug 19 18:05:36 EDT 2009, slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: And, while it didn't bring mk -k to a grinding halt, I did notice that, with nupas installed, cd /sys/src/cmd/upas; objtype=arm mk install chokes on

[9fans] varargs question

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
as i was drifting off to sleep the other night, i was wondering about varargs. (clearly, it's time for a vacation.) and i wondered why kenc doesn't add an argument count before the first vararg. (bwc pointed out that the address following the last vararg would be more useful.) va_* could be

Re: [9fans] vmware oddity (Fusion on Mac OS X)

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
link http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/pc/devether.c?v=PLAN9#L202 /link you may wish to give standard (at least to 9fans) links to code, e.g: /sys/src/9/pc/devether.c:202 you would probablly benefit from removing the print statements. they're potentially going to make the problem much

Re: [9fans] Recursive structural expressions?

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 20 13:54:35 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone given thought to recursive structural regular expressions? i'm sure i've done them. this is a lame example, since i can't remember where i've used these techniques off the top of my head ,x:.*: g/#pragma/ x:[^ ]+[ ]:

Re: [9fans] Recursive structural expressions?

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
i'm sure i've done them.  this is a lame example, since i can't remember where i've used these techniques off the top of my head ,x:.*: g/#pragma/ x:[^  ]+[     ]: g/print/p How is this recursive? in the sense that 'x' is recursively applied to the output of 'x'. i have no idea what

Re: [9fans] Recursive structural expressions?

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
No, I know you can apply them `recursively', I mean something more like an expression in a CFG or yacc. can you outline somehow what you're thinking of? Basically, if you could take a bracketed expression in sam and then name it, and then call it recursively. All the problems with

Re: [9fans] pipefrom fun

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 20 20:53:27 EDT 2009, maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote: All being well this is a mail routed by my pipefrom /n/sources/contrib/maht/rc/pipefrom It has seen the outgoing address of 9fans and changed it to 9fans@9fans.net It has seen the outgoing address of 9fans@9fans.net and set

Re: [9fans] Recursive structural expressions?

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
Here's an example. Let's make the syntax extra pukey: @#, where # is 1-9, defines a `named procedure', which is the same thing as putting something in braces in Sam. x/.*\n/ @1{ ( @1 ) | @1 ( @1 ) ( ) | } x/re/ repeatedly sets . with matches until the input is exhausted. so i don't think

Re: [9fans] dump9660?

2009-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 20 19:42:04 EDT 2009, iru.mu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Venkatesh Srinivasm...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: Hi, Do any of you still use dump9660? Any recent experiences or stuff I should watch out for using it? mk9660(8) is the main user, but i don't think

Re: [9fans] venti/copy -m

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
Plan 9's venti/copy has an undocumented -m option. What does it do? the whole program is 262 lines long. i'm betting what -m does can be discovered by inspection. it might be a good idea to submit a patch to the man page, too. - erik

Re: [9fans] pipefrom fun

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
Rewriting of From: is the reason for pipefrom. in the simple case, From: can be rewritten with /mail/box/$upasname/headers - erik

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 via QEMU

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
So, could it be that there are problems doing IL through QEMU? There shouldn't be, as the pcap device sends directly through the interface... so far as I can tell. Input welcome. do a packet trace from the host. it's also possible to turn on some il tracing on the fs. here are a couple

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
Of course, I'm now faced with another new issue. auth/debug looks like it just tries to debug factotum keys. This machine has an interface on 9vx.org and another on int.9vx.org. However, auth/debug only tries to debug 9vx.org, leading me to believe that factotum has no key for int.9vx.org.

Re: [9fans] Issues with 2 networks, fs server, and namespaces

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm trying to set up a group of servers (these are running on VMWare ESXi, and working great -- CPU server running with two APs, though adding more causes it to fault with a divide by zero?). Auth server's could you be more specific about this? The FS, however, sits on a private network. CPU

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 via QEMU

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Akshat Kumaraku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: This time with just flag authdebug and without going through secstore, since it gave me the problem highlighted above, plain auth from the QEMU host gives the following at Ken FS: il: allocating ... user

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 via QEMU

2009-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Aug 21 21:35:38 EDT 2009, aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: i also see it trying to auth bootes (i think). do you have a user bootes? Yes, bootes is the hostowner of the CPU/Auth server. also must have a user bootes on the fs even with auth disabled. might be good to turn on more

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