[9fans] C question - completely OT, but I'd like to know the answer

Sorry to bother the list, but I thought I might get a sensible answer here from the few remaining people in the world who actually understand C. The following bit of code seems to be more or less syntactically OK: switch (nurdge) { int nigel = 1; case 0: if(nigel == 1)

Re: [9fans] tcl, 9p

Speaking as someone who is too old and senile and stupid even to become a High Court Judge, I find the lack of improvements to Tcl to be a major attraction. I don’t need to program in it that often – I maintain one moderately-sized script which hardly ever changes - but when I need to re-visit

[9fans] awk reading?

I know that the original request was for online reading about awk, but I can't help adding my recommendation for the offline dead tree version of The awk Programming Language by awk. I resisted buying it for years, on the grounds of its extraordinary price on Amazon, succumbed eventually, and have

[9fans] Rising intonation

It's not public? read with rising intonation? Charles? I'd never have picked you as as a Kiwi?? But your rising intonation has given you away???

Re: [9fans] Rising intonation.

Don't worry cuzz, he's a Bwit. Sweet as, bro. Welease Wodger!

[9fans] Heresy alert

I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it ex-rocks for some time. I still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The initial Z just doesn't work for me.

[9fans] C++

Ay, Curamba! This discussion is exactly why we need Boyd. But, let the record show, C++ has been scientifically shown to be an unbelievably crap and monstrously complex language, even though I earn my daily bread by using it. I was a contemporary of Dr Stroustrup when he was spending his time

[9fans] C++

Been trying to read through this thread through the day and well I think the absurdity of your claim pretty much sums up a large portion of the thread, unfortunately. Ay Caramba indeed :( Hey, I haven't really been following this thread either. I have a day job, and was just channeling my

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 52

Also, also, it was Gorka rather than Bakul who called me out for being rude, so apologies to both. But this is my favourite section from Herr Stroustrup's book - from Section C.13.5 - although the following section (C.13.6 Template as a Qualifier) is also good for a laugh. Right, I'll shut up and

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 57

This is a technical mailing list, what do you expect? These days, I expect exactly what I see here. Boring technical fuckwittage, to which I've obviously contributed more than my fair share, and nothing else. But there was a time when this group was a nice place to hang out, when you could

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 58

ken has left the building Yeah, but I'm fairly sure that rob made him do it.

Re: [9fans] ANTS: Better in every single way than standard plan 9.

MY SOFTWARE MAKES PLAN NINE BETTER MY SOFTWARE FIXES HUGE NUMBERS OF PLAN NINE PROBLEMS MY SOFTWARE IS EXACTLY WHAT ROB PIKE AND CREW SHOULD HAVE MADE PLAN NINE DO ALREADY Hey, that's just like your opinion, man. And p9p did tie the room together.

[9fans] ANTS: Better in every single way than standard plan 9.

AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A S#$% ABOUT THE NAMESPACES? Careful man, there's a beverage here.

[9fans] gcc

I regret that you regret responding, and hope that you will relent. It's always refreshing to hear from curmudgeons with quite a few more clues than oneself. I'm not sure if I'm the public exactly, but I do find mk and make too labour-intensive for my tastes. I'm now an IDE kind of guy, having

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

To go back to the original subject Surely this is the first time that has ever been done on 9fans? This is 9fans, not 'Nam. There are rules.

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 107, Issue 61

I'm fairly sure that this is a misquote from Alfred, Lord Tennyson. In my copy, the original reads: Trolling is a art she told herselves The Lady of Shallot. I would have said an art, but I'm no poet. Good to know that you're still out there Dan. But I'm a bit puzzled by your use of the term

Re: [9fans] music storage

how much storage do 10,000 Maniacs take? Eleven. Preferably not pronounced with a Scottish Accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAz_UvnUeuU

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community? As I understand it, this list is not a community, but an anarcho-syndicalist commune. In which case the executive officer for the week can decide to adopt the new logo, but all decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a

[9fans] Help requested. Boyd, where are you?

OK, so my employer is lending out raspberry pis for cool demo projects to be completed in a couple of weeks. I was thinking of doing a Sudoku solver in Plan 9. I have written working C code for a command line solver using Knuth's exact cover / dancing links algorithm. Advice sought on how to

Re: [9fans] Help requested. Boyd, where are you?

Yeah. I don't disagree with Boyd's views on Sudoku, as filtered through Brucee. Although, I feel that Boyd would have expressed them by saying something like When I hear the word Sudoku, I reach for my insert your weapon of choice here. However, I have the solver code, thanks to Knuth. The UI,

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi: won't recognize the USB mouse

I'm not sure if this is helpful at this, or indeed any, stage in the conversation, but for me one of the great joys of using Richard's port has been that it just works on real hardware without having to mess about, or having to worry about esoterica about USB and chums. At least they're esoterica

Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly?

Yeah, I'm mystified myself. Is this a troll or a serious enquiry? Trousers rolled. On 5 June 2014 15:10, OMAR RADWAN owemeac...@live.com wrote: I've been looking at plan9 on the internet and to say the truth, I'm mystified. What is it exactly? Is it meant to totally be better than Unix or

Re: [9fans] someone made a glenda key...

Sating it tongue in cheek? I shudder to think what Boyd would have made of that. On 12 September 2014 02:43, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, of course :) I was sating it tongue in cheek. On Sep 11, 2014 8:24 AM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 10,

Re: [9fans] Annyoing modified by boyd

FILE modified by boyd since last read strikes me as more useful than most error messages I see these days. My only question is what particular weapon Boyd would have used to modify the file. On 17 September 2014 23:18, Ingo Krabbe ikrabbe@gmail.com wrote: Hey, using legacy bell-labs plan9

Re: [9fans] Annyoing modified by boyd

I'm not sure how kindly Boyd would have taken to being referred to as the younger brother of void. I suspect not well, although I'm not sure which particular weapon he would have reached for in this instance: http://www.petting-zoo.net/~deadbeef/archive/1023.html On 18 September 2014 21:09, Steve

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. On 14 October 2014 12:55, Anthony Sorace

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

i9factotum? It's a go! On 14 October 2014 16:08, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04, Quintile st...@quintile.net wrote: I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

completed successfully. Obviously that's completely stupid. On 24 October 2014 09:45, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04

[9fans] Problem with pf9 on Windows 8.1

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to run pf9 version of acme on Windows 8.1. If I try to use mouse button 3, it always barfs. Button 3 works fine in sam. Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

Re: [9fans] New Language [Myrddin] On Plan 9/amd64

Hmm. Didn't Tolstoy write a short story called How Many Languages does a Man Need? On 4 January 2015 at 21:59, Ori Bernstein o...@eigenstate.org wrote: Myrddin is a language that I put together for fun, but which has developed delusions of usefulness. It's a complete reinvention of the wheel,

Re: [9fans] Web Gardens

To be honest, I didn’t understand the “Grey Gardens” reference until I used this new “Google” thing that Erik recommends. Were I not scared of being called silly by Skip, I would recommend merging this exciting new potential fork of Plan9 into the forthcoming "Great British Code Off" fork of

[9fans] Glad tidings of comfort and joy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwDOqsu0GZw

Re: [9fans] The Plan 9/"right" way to do Facebook

That's an awfully long troll. Some people have a lot of time on their hands. And it's not yet April Fool's day, even in New Zealand. On 31 March 2016 at 12:40, wrote: > Greetings, 9fans! > > We all know that Plan 9 started as a retrospective "re-take" on UNIX,

Re: [9fans] OT: Ubiquitous data vs. Reality, WAS: Re: The Plan 9/"right" way to do Facebook

Alas, I can make absolutely no sense of anything from the cigarmeister. But then again an inability to tell what's true at all could be an emerging trajedy of these commons. Or perhaps there is some creative merit in this. Where is Boyd when you need him? On 4 April 2016 at 23:37, hiro

Re: [9fans] Any demand for a supported Windows version of p9port?

Hey Chris Cygwin is an option. Albeit one I wouldn’t use. The guys who did pf9 used mingw. Which I also wouldn’t use. I like MS Visual Studio with access to the native libraries on the platform of my choice - so colour me bigoted. I was kind of wondering if there was an option for people who

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

I personally have been technically dead for some time, but am still receiving emails from the list, so the problem may be at your end. In which case of course you won't see this. Bugger. On 23 August 2016 at 12:00, Adriano Verardo wrote: > Hi, all > I don'receive from the

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

Well, the meaning of the word "ilk" has always puzzled me. As in "Sir Robert Pike of that Ilk". But then I'm not Scottish. Or Scotch, whichever is correct. Me, I still lend a fraction of an ear to this group in the increasingly vain hope of learning something. Personally, I don't use Plan9, or

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Thanks to Brantley for his thoughtful musings. Me, I love many things about Sam, but I just can't use it as my everyday editor. The structural regular expression stuff is a work of genius, but I still find, such are my limitations, that the user interface is just too clunky and retro. On 2

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

. Where is Boyd to threaten you with assault weapons when you need him? On 2 September 2016 at 10:56, Winston Kodogo <kod...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks to Brantley for his thoughtful musings. Me, I love many things > about Sam, but I just can't use it as my everyday editor. Th

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

"Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like Windows 95." Oddly, that's not true. Mind you, I've always been a Mac user. But I've recently been spending some time in Excel VBA under Windows 10, and the interface in the editor is still pure Windows 95,and boy does it

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

And, on a related note: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/ On 31 August 2016 at 14:08, Winston Kodogo <kod...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall > while chewing broken glass to using this

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this case, the new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for normal people who just want to get stuff done. On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian

Re: [9fans] Nemo's Opus

To add to the previous comments, I'm a huge fan of Nemo's “Introduction to Operating Systems Abstractions”: https://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf It's just a brilliant guide to finding your way around the system, and doing some programming in it, especially if you're not a kernel-head and talk

Re: [9fans] Why does Plan 9 use “snarf” instead of “copy”?

Channeling my inner Quine here. Did you mean: The operation is not "copy" but "snarf". It's called "snarf" because snarf is what it does. Of course the White Knight would also have asked what the name of the operation was called. But be that as it may, a simple explanation of the difference

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

Jules isn't even as convincing as Mark V Shaney.. At least Choate was a real person and knew a lot about soldering coaxial cables. On 20 September 2016 at 11:56, Jules Merit < jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond... > "759M memory: 256M kernel

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

bKenDallas #multicast > 9fan9rear9wuzhappening > > >> On Sep 21, 2016 9:27 PM, "Winston Kodogo" <kod...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Jules isn't even as convincing as Mark V Shaney.. At least Choate was a real >> person and knew a lot about soldering coaxial cables. >> >

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

Hey Adriano It seems as if the list is not totally moribund after all, even if these days people will insist on talking about Plan9 on it, rather than posting informative digressions about almost everything else. I hope you got at least some of the responses which your original message sparked.

[9fans] Job interview questions

Excellent suggestions by Kurt. I'm sorely tempted to submit them to the recruiter, but I don't think he'd get the joke.

[9fans] Slap me if you've seen this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEJoWfobpA

Re: [9fans] Blit

Well, such are my limitations, I don't give two short smegs about the Blit or "The Labs", Johnny come latelelys that they are, promoting new editors such as "ed". Instead of edt, the one true editor. But when I was a lad, these many years ago, we did have to pick up the phone - without dial, there