Re: [9fans] licence question

On 1/28/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as part of a plan9 > (9legacy, 9front) system due to their licensing terms. > Any font you realy, really can't live without? > Does anybody know about code, libraries, binaries,

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

LENOVO SCROLLPOINT MOUSE - USB. I have a few of them. None of mine have ever broken or needed maintenance. Not sure they're made any more, and the IBM logo on this: https://www.exxactcorp.com/Lenovo-31P7405-E1272118 may be indicative, but I've been using mine for 20+ years with great

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

On Jan 27, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > >> This will probably have to ride on USB first. A verilog >> implementation would be useful in an FPGA! >> > I never understood why USB receives so much attention (but thanks to > all those who valiantly

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Hello all, I just quickly want to share my experience, although I haven't used any real three buttons mouse in the last ten years. For my laptop system I really love the (older) IBM/lenovo trackpoint. It has three physical buttons below the keyboard and I can reach them easily with my

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 07:48:15PM -0800, Ben Hancock wrote: > Hi all, > > Acme has become my main text editor and I'm in the market for a good > mouse with a decent middle click (i.e. B2). If product recommendations > aren't eschewed on the list, would fellow acme and/or sam users be >

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The label reads 31P7405 Lenovo Scrollpoint Mouse Model MO098OA And I have now opened it to be sure, and it is the true blue (literally) 3-button version. It is labeled Lenovo, although the ones I use are all labeled IBM. -rob

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:47:48PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The > label reads > > 31P7405 Lenovo Scrollpoint Mouse Model MO098OA > > And I have now opened it to be sure, and it is the true blue (literally) > 3-button version.

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Trackballs also often have more than two real buttons. umbraticus The good 3 buttons mouses are vanishing, I've been thinking on giving a try to a trackball for a while. The problem is that the small ones seem to me like a pain to point, and the large ones look like hard to make chords with the

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

HP DY651A, e.g. https://www.ebay.com/itm/234392830458 I bought three of them some ten years ago, and they are still working perfectly. It seems the model is no longer in production. The original price was very low. I seem to recall it was also sold as an IBM mouse. Mark.

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

Quoth Bakul Shah : > The idea: > - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by > providing a firmware/hardware building block that > talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces > with device specific hardware. > > - use a "universal" 9p driver on the host side that > allows

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Trackballs also often have more than two real buttons. umbraticus -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-Mba1f4f1caaa4c6c3a0189de1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] suggestion : new service targets for plan9

Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > 1) Define new service targets kiosk and desktop > (Currently I do this in init or /user/.../lib/profile. > This makes it possible for a user to start an > alternative window manager or even a single applicaton > (kiosk service) with a modern look and

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Sorry, yes, it's MO09BOA on mine too. Small print, old eyes. The bottom of my IBM-branded one has the same model number. -rob On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 4:16 PM Bakul Shah wrote: > Mine says MO09BOA. It has a Lenovo logo > and the scroll thingy is lighted blue. It is not > a wheel, more like a

Re: [9fans] suggestion : new service targets for plan9

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022, at 11:03, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > I developed a kiosk version of plan9 (based on 9front and legacy9) and > am about to develop a single user desktop system. Those can coexist > with the existing plan9 system. > > I named the new service targets kiosk and desktop. Both

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > The idea: > - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by > providing a firmware/hardware building block that > talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces > with device specific hardware. > > [ ... ] > Sounds very appealing. There's a UEFI-based

[9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Hi all, Acme has become my main text editor and I'm in the market for a good mouse with a decent middle click (i.e. B2). If product recommendations aren't eschewed on the list, would fellow acme and/or sam users be willing to share some mice suggestions? There seem to be a real dearth of

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Mine says MO09BOA. It has a Lenovo logo and the scroll thingy is lighted blue. It is not a wheel, more like a single axis trackpoint. > On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Rob Pike > wrote: > > I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The >

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

I've been saying the same thing for years. 9p makes for a great control protocol that presents a simple way to present data, a tree of files. Charles Forsyth wrote an Atmega compiler for plan 9. That could be used as the basis for a plan 9 Arduino thing. We likely need a mulibc.h or whatever and

Re: [9fans] licence question

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:14:25PM -0500, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > Thanks for your hint ori, > > After searching for Copying, Copyright, Licence I found these problematic > commands (libs) : > > Xen (9f) > diff (9f,l9) > patch (9f, l9) > ghostscript (9f, l9) > mp3dec (9f, l9) > lzip (l9) > >

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

My daily mouse is a Logitech 3-button mouse plugged into a PS2-USB adapter. Obviously they're not making them anymore but I've managed to acquire a bunch over the years. It's sturdy and works fine. https://www.ebay.com/itm/384628597228 john Original Message On Jan 27, 2022,

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:39:09PM -0800, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote: > The Scrollpoint Rob mentioned was made > with both IBM and Lenovo branding, and was also available in a sculpted > Pro model with a thumb-actuated fourth button. I should specify: the Scrollpoint mouse technically only has

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Quoth Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > The Evoluent VerticalMouse series has three mechanical buttons plus a > scroll wheel between buttons 1 and 2. This one is my personal favorite. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On 1/27/22 20:47, Rob Pike wrote: I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The label reads 31P7405 Lenovo Scrollpoint Mouse Model MO098OA And I have now opened it to be sure, and it is the true blue (literally) 3-button version. It is labeled Lenovo, although the

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > Quoth Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > > > The Evoluent VerticalMouse series has three mechanical buttons plus a > > scroll wheel between buttons 1 and 2. > > This one is my personal favorite. I have two of these and they're quite good, though quite

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

> small ones seem to me like a pain to point, and the large ones look > like hard to make chords with the big ball in the middle. Could you > share your experience? I use a Kensington Expert which I guess falls into the big ball in the middle category. Honestly, most of the time I click/chord

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

> Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. I disagree. Most of the time the forces in power will survive the changes in technology or even use it for their own benefit, possibly against you or against your philosophy you came up for in support of your technology. Of course there could

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Quoth raingloom : > Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. Everything is political, but allowing posts on a topic to become explicitly political generally ends up completely derailing the technical topic. All too often, the only post with technical content is the first post in a

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Quoth hiro <23h...@gmail.com>: > > Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. > > I disagree. Can you please disagree off-list? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T627a29a7babaf29e-M166b23bb0b589453fe720616

Re: [9fans] licence question

Thanks hiro. Regarding ghostscript : In plan9-2e this was written in README.Plan9 > Aladdin Ghostscript has been licensed to be included with the > release of Plan 9.  Minor changes were made to the sources to > accommodate a couple of restrictions in the APE library and to > produce Plan 9

Re: [9fans] licence question

yes, but it's ok to distribute On 1/28/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > Thanks hiro. > > Regarding ghostscript : > > In plan9-2e this was written in README.Plan9 > >> Aladdin Ghostscript has been licensed to be included with the >> release of Plan 9.  Minor changes were made to

[9fans] suggestion : new service targets for plan9

I developed a kiosk version of plan9 (based on 9front and legacy9) and am about to develop a single user desktop system. Those can coexist with the existing plan9 system. I named the new service targets kiosk and desktop. Both work without rio. Currently I used initdraw, initmouse,

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

On 1/27/22 16:02, hiro wrote: the majority of "hackers" have already failed to be political, when they sold their souls to the big corps like google and amazon. You mean like https://silibandia.com? *Wes Kussmaul* *Reliable Identities, Inc.* an Authenticity Enterprise 738 Main Street

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Hi hiro. History is full of counter examples that contraddict your thesis. At least since neolithic, human organization has been determinated by technology. The most recent (and most directly related to informatics) were Gutemberg's movable-type printing press, Meucci's telephone, the general

[9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

The idea: - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by providing a firmware/hardware building block that talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces with device specific hardware. - use a "universal" 9p driver on the host side that allows access to any such 9p device even from a

[9fans] licence question

I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as part of a plan9 (9legacy, 9front) system due to their licensing terms. Does anybody know about code, libraries, binaries, documentation present on the latest 9legacy or 9front iso's which are outside the newly applied MIT-licence ?

Re: [9fans] licence question

no, as far as i know, just those B fonts in particular are non-free. i think the ghostscript code can be distributed without any issues. 9front policy is that all new code is MIT. On 1/27/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as

Re: [9fans] licence question

I'm lucky cause I don't need ghostscript, page (depending on it) the fonts. I'm using a framebuffer renderer instead of rio for my tiny kiosk version of 9front. My code depends on the bootloader, the drivers, kernelcode, libraries from 9front. Especially the WiFi-drivers, usb support ramfs

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

> It's important to discuss politics. > > Elsewhere. Since everything is political, it has to be discussed everywhere. At least until everybody gets tired and resumes their non-political boring everyday stupors. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] licence question

Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > I'm lucky cause I don't need ghostscript, page (depending on it) the fonts. > I'm using a framebuffer renderer instead of rio for my tiny kiosk version of > 9front. > > My code depends on the bootloader, the drivers, kernelcode, libraries from >

Re: [9fans] licence question

Thanks for your hint ori, After searching for Copying, Copyright, Licence I found these problematic commands (libs) : Xen (9f) diff (9f,l9) patch (9f, l9) ghostscript (9f, l9) mp3dec (9f, l9) lzip (l9) 9f ... 9font l9 ... legacy9 I'm not sure how problematic icclib could be. Clause 4 could be

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans, As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for is called Jehanne) and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims, mostly because SJW basically try to impose worldwide a US-workplace ethos that is compatible with US-styled corporate

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

Richard has been very forthcoming off-list in trying to get 9legacy working on my machines. But there are still a few things that aren't quite working, so let's bring this thread up to speed. On the X60s, Plan 9 now runs on bare metal but I can't establish an ethernet connection. Even when I

Re: [9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

i use 9front, has patches and updates :-) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbaab87532a204e00-M05d6a40d0776ef86a9e83ce3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

There is certainly a variety of opinions of what means what, but generally speaking: 9legacy: Continuation of Plan 9 from Bell Labs v4 with patches and fixes 9front: A close fork of Plan 9 focused on using and developing Plan 9 systems on modern hardware as a rolling and continually developed

[9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

Hello everyone,  I'm really looking forward to getting to grips with Plan 9 in depth, but would have a question in advance. Since I want to use Plan 9 on an amd64 system, my understanding is that I am left with two options: Plan 9 legacy and 9front. I want to use Plan 9 on bare metal, so

Re: [9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

Thank you so much for your detailed and helpful reply. So far I've found some informative (if a bit older) sites on 9legacy and 9front, but your explanation really helps me classify the two approaches. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: