Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
Hello, John Walsh wrote: In fact, the even tempered scale hasn't completely taken over. The uilleann pipes are usually tuned against the drones, and I imagine that is also true of the highland pipes and other instruments like the vielle which have drones. (...) To my

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Simon Wascher wrote: To my understanding, there are two groups of tuning systems which both are forming the basis of western music: 1) tempered intonation scales ... 2) just intonation scales (I do not really know if this is the right term in english the german term is "Skalen mit reiner

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
Hello Phil, Phil Taylor wrote: However, if the system used involved distributing the accumulated error from twelve perfect fifths among all the notes, the result will surely be an equally-tempered scale, even though it's mathematical basis is different? 'xcuse I think I got the point of

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
hello, I wrote: consecutive fifths wich are about just intonation and divide the divergence between 12 just intonated fifths and the octave between the other fifths. As I remember, this specific system also includes a correction for the thirds. Phil Taylor wrote: I stand corrected.

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Frank Nordberg
Mike Whitaker wrote: cb 278.43 277.2 d# 274.69 277.2 You mean C# and Db, surely? Of course. Sorry. I had some font convertion problems. The flat and sharp signs actually were * and * (that's how they're mapped in MetTimes) and I messed up the search-and-replace

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Simon Wascher wrote: for music which does not use a 12 key (piano) keyboard there is no real need to use those intonation compromises. The color (intonation) of every interval, step or harmony can be choosen more freely and the A bevore the modulation

[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #473

2001-04-05 Thread Alan S. Watt
John Henckel wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:23:20 -0500 From: John Henckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz... . One time I watched a professional piano tuner and was surprised to see that he didn't use any electronic pitch measuring

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half stepinMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Mike Whitaker wrote: I would not be at all surprised to discover that most guitarists who tune to DADGAD ('modal D' tuning) do so in a manner which is not in the least even-tempered, too. And not necessarily consciously. Indeed. I don't think it's limited to DADGAD either. I am aware that if

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
"Frank" == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank A for keyboards - well, any decent piano tuner will tell Frank you that he or she does not use strict equal Frank temperament. You have to adjust the intonation slightly to Frank get a good result. Frank There are a

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Wil Macaulay
When tuning a fiddle, I use an electronic tuner for the A string, then tune the other strings by ear to the fifth. Seems to me that ends up a little sharp on E and a little flat on the D, according to the tuner. Laura Conrad wrote: [snip] As far as electronic piano tuners go, there are

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | Indeed. I don't think it's limited to DADGAD either. I am aware | that if I intend to play in D Major in standard tuning I always tune | the top E a little flat to make the F# sound good. It's a compromise, | because if I make it too flat the A and the top D will be off.

[abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and relatives

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
I wrote: Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. But then I forgot to attach it: X:1 T:VI. Now, O now, I needs must part, C: John Dowland O: From The First Booke of songs or Ayres of foure parts, with Tableture for the Lute T:Cantus M:3/2 L:1/2 N:Original clef, C on first line

Re: [abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and

2001-04-05 Thread Markus Lutz
Hello, if I looked well, abcm2ps 2.2.8 seems to print all of the words. Greetings Markus On 05 Apr 2001 16:30:47 -0400, Laura Conrad wrote: LC Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. The B section of LC the tune always has the same words, and in the A section for each LC verse the

[abcusers] Re: scales and tuning

2001-04-05 Thread Derek Lane-Smith
All the discussion on temperament, if peripheral, has certainly been interesting and, if I may, I would like to add my two cents. It is my understanding that it is only the extreme octaves (top and bottom) of a piano that are 'stretched' to accommodate the non-harmonic overtones of the

[abcusers] Pythagoras

2001-04-05 Thread Jack Campin
There have been various interpretations on what the Pythagorian scale is Can anyone tell me where to find out what Pythagoras said in a reliable translation? No text by Pythagoras survives. His ideas on music were documented much later by Archytas and Aristoxenus. As the New Grove entry

Re: [abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and relatives

2001-04-05 Thread John Chambers
Laura wrote: | Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. | | But then I forgot to attach it: My clone of abc2ps had the same problem, and I found it pretty quickly. If you have the source, there's a 1-byte change that will fix it. In abc2ps.h there are the lines: #define

[abcusers] how about 372 key/mode combos, then?

2001-04-05 Thread Jack Campin
Apropos of Pythagorean and related tunings, I saved this article from rec.music.early a while ago. Margo is r.m.e's resident exotic-early- tunings wonk (she plays this way herself on a pitch-configurable electronic keyboard). I *dare* any of you to ask her to expand on this... From "M.

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in

2001-04-05 Thread John Walsh
I wrote: (...)This effectively means that they are in some kind of just tuning: the ratio of the frequency of each note to the drone frequency is a simple fraction with fairly low denominator. (...) It's close to the even tempered ale for the fifth and third, not so close with the second,