Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-02 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Phil Taylor wrote: The real problem with abc is that there isn't enough time in a lifetime. Actually when I think it over, abc's biggest problem is that it's too nice to let go... -- love, peace harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to:

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-02 Thread John Walsh
Jeff Bigler writes: ...is ABC's biggest handicap which catches the eye so effectively that nobody seems to have gotten beyond it to comment on his suggestions. Just for the record, here's something: In the following example, I'm proposing to be a delimiter for the following

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-02 Thread Don Whitener
Not exactly on topic, but anyway: At 05:13 PM 5/2/02, John Walsh wrote: you could say that you need a second space to end the beam, but this works better for parsers than human readers---the difference between one and two spaces is notoriously hard to spot. (Which pair of words is

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-01 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: Out of curiousity: Are there any abc programs currently that will accept something like ^ffGmG and do the right thing with it? I know that abc2ps won't; it simply ignores all but the first chord symbol. This should be fixed, of course, but today it doesn't work in

Re: abc's biggest problem (was: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse)

2002-05-01 Thread Ulf
Am Mittwoch, 1. Mai 2002 15:55 schrieb Atte Andre Jensen: Really? I think abc's biggest shortcomming is the fundamental of only being able to put a chord where there is a melody-note. I consider this a major bummer, and guess everybody (except me) writes stuff like | A AmC4 | Not me, I

Re: abc's biggest problem (was: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse)

2002-05-01 Thread Wil Macaulay
if your software supports non-printing rests (BarFly, Skink) you can write | AC4 Amx | wil Ulf wrote: Am Mittwoch, 1. Mai 2002 15:55 schrieb Atte Andre Jensen: Really? I think abc's biggest shortcomming is the fundamental of only being able to put a chord where there is a melody-note. I

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-01 Thread Buddha Buck
At 06:35 PM 05-01-2002 +, John Chambers you wrote: | On the other hand, I still think that the lack of a way to represent | dynamics and certain other commonly-used symbols is ABC's biggest | handicap. We could get into a real debate over what's the most serious handicap in ABC. My vote

Re: abc's biggest problem (was: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse)

2002-05-01 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote: if your software supports non-printing rests (BarFly, Skink) you can write | AC4 Amx | Hey, that's pretty clever! Although is looks broken (5 notes to a 4/4 bar). And I was pretty amazed the abc2midi actually played it fine (pretty hip harmonization

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-05-01 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Buddha Buck wrote: At 06:35 PM 05-01-2002 +, John Chambers you wrote: It's interesting... in response to Jeff's message, I've seen lots of people comments on his choice for the title of ABC's biggest handicap, but no comments on his proposal to fix his particular

Re: abc's biggest problem (was: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse)

2002-05-01 Thread John Chambers
Atte writes: | On Wed, 1 May 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote: | | if your software supports non-printing rests (BarFly, Skink) you can write | | | AC4 Amx | | | Hey, that's pretty clever! Although is looks broken (5 notes to a 4/4 | bar). And I was pretty amazed the abc2midi actually played it fine

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread John Chambers
Atte wrote: | On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote: | Atte wrote: | | !fine! exclamation-point abuse | | This reminds me: There has been a bit of discussion of this syntax | off and on over the years. Some people have implemented it. Could | people post information on which abc

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse - Standard...

2002-04-30 Thread Christian M. Cepel
I fail to see why discussion of new additions/changes to the standard can abound for an extended period of time, and ultimately be beaten into astalemate. I don't quite know what the 'Standard Version Naming Scheme' for abc is, but I thought the use of a #.# allowed small changes from say, 1.6

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread Wil Macaulay
Phil, I seem to recall that you had an alternate proposal - can you resurrect it? I'm almost at the point of implementing this in Skink, so it would be useful to have the proposals side-by-side. wil Phil Taylor wrote: John Chambers wrote: Atte wrote: | On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, John Chambers

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor wrote: | John Chambers wrote: | Atte wrote: | | On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote: | | Atte wrote: | | | !fine! exclamation-point abuse | | abcm2ps | That's the only reply that I've seen. Is this the only abc program | that understands the !foo! annotation syntax?

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: (about the !foo! construct) Hmm ... I'd forgotten who didn't like it, of course. The general feature does seem to be inherently useful, so I'd suppose that the objection is to the particular syntax. The other one I've seen is the one that uses double quotes and

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread Wil Macaulay
One thing about macroes, however, is that you don't _have_ to use them; you can fully expand the macro in the source if you want to for some reason. Your proposal doesn't fit that need, because if I _want_ to write fff (for fortissimo) in the tune, I can't distinguish it from three f notes unless

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread Phil Taylor
One thing about macroes, however, is that you don't _have_ to use them; you can fully expand the macro in the source if you want to for some reason. Your proposal doesn't fit that need, because if I _want_ to write fff (for fortissimo) in the tune, I can't distinguish it from three f notes unless

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread John Chambers
| One thing about macroes, however, is that you don't _have_ to use them; | you can fully expand the macro in the source if you want to for some reason. | Your proposal doesn't fit that need, because if I _want_ to write | fff (for fortissimo) in the tune, I can't distinguish it from three f

Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-30 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | One thing about macroes, however, is that you don't _have_ to use them; | you can fully expand the macro in the source if you want to for some reason. | Your proposal doesn't fit that need, because if I _want_ to write | fff (for fortissimo) in the tune, I can't distinguish

[abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse

2002-04-26 Thread John Chambers
Atte wrote: | !fine! exclamation-point abuse This reminds me: There has been a bit of discussion of this syntax off and on over the years. Some people have implemented it. Could people post information on which abc apps accept this syntax? It'd be nice to get together a list like