Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-22 Thread Jeff Senn
On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:11 AM, John Chambers wrote: One problem that I see with the above example is that the K line gives C as the tonic. It really should be K:D... The notation has been suggested: K:D_E_B bayati This would mean a tonic of D, a key signature of _E_B, and Yeah the C is

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Pieter Suurmond
Jeff Senn wrote: I'm a newcomer here. Has the issue of non-12 tone music come up here before? I don't see anything in the pending standard about it... A lot of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, Persian, etc...) music is based on a quarter-tone (24 division) system; or in the case of some

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread John Chambers
| Jeff Senn wrote: | | I'm a newcomer here. Has the issue of non-12 tone music come up here | before? ... | I recently snagged a copy of John Chambers's jcabc2ps so I could print | some | tunes and modified it for my purposes. The 'quick hack' I used was to | use ^/ and _/ to represent

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Jeff Senn
On Jan 21, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Pieter Suurmond wrote: I was considering exactly the same: Just hack the half-sharps and half-flats in there. At the moment I'm trying to compile LilyPond, which has all the microtonal stuff already in there. but I'm glad all the ABC-programs are so easy to

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Jeff Senn
On Jan 21, 2004, at 12:49 PM, John Chambers wrote: I also googled around a bit for the notation that people use for quarter-tone accidentals. I did find a number of other symbols. The symbols now in jcabc2ps do seem to be the most common, according to google, but that doesn't mean much.

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Jack Campin
I'm a newcomer here. Has the issue of non-12 tone music come up here before? Yes, I've posted two or three fairly detailed proposals over the years, covering both playback and printing. A lot of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, Persian, etc...) music is based on a quarter-tone (24

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Jeff Senn
On Jan 21, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Jack Campin wrote: Yes, I've posted two or three fairly detailed proposals over the years, covering both playback and printing. I did not find them in the archive. Can you give me a pointer? A lot of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, Persian, etc...) music is based on

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Phil Taylor
On 21 Jan 2004, at 21:55, Jeff Senn wrote: On Jan 21, 2004, at 12:49 PM, John Chambers wrote: This does seem like a possibly desirable use of the substitution-type macro. I've seen microtone notation that uses an assortment of symbols. If we allowed notation like ^3/24, people might

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread Jeff Senn
On Jan 21, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Phil Taylor wrote: Not just a proposal but a working implementation in use in BarFly for many years. John's suggestion would work. Given the macro definition: m: Pn = ^3/24n Hm. I will go look at the docs. But that is just for ornament, yes? And just for notes? It is

Re: [abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-21 Thread John Chambers
Jeff Senn sez: | On Jan 21, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Phil Taylor wrote: | Not that I think that a particularly useful approach, since as | Jack says, musicians who use these pitches don't think of them | as fractional; we really should not adopt something which is | totally at odds with existing

[abcusers] quarter tones (non-12 tone music)

2004-01-19 Thread Jeff Senn
I'm a newcomer here. Has the issue of non-12 tone music come up here before? I don't see anything in the pending standard about it... A lot of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, Persian, etc...) music is based on a quarter-tone (24 division) system; or in the case of some Turkish music up to 48