Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:13 -0700, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone!
Hello Andrew,
ISSUE 1:
PROBLEM: triplets in the first line. The first one works fine, that is,
it places a 3 above the arch, the second, however, the 3 appears
over the ef gracenotes! (Seems buggy to me.)
We don't want the number UNDER the triplets.
Is there a better way of getting numbers over the triplets?
Odd: your example works fine with both 3.7.18 and 4.6.5.
Otherwise, actually, you cannot force the the tuplet numbers to go
above the notes. Some day, I will add an other tuplet option...
ISSUE 2:
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
[snip]
In other words, BarFly draws all four notes with a double line (1/16) in
the backbone of the beam, and draws an extra line between the middle two
notes to indicate that they're 1/32. abcm2ps draws a single line
through all four, a double line for the outer pairs and two little flags
pointing outwards on the middle notes.
Is there a way to get abcm2ps to do it the Barfly way, which we think is
more readable?
As there is no ABC indication for beaming, each programmer codes the
best she thinks. In this case, I had remarks saying that, as the tempo
is binary, beaming should stop on binary borders (this not easy to do,
and not fully solved yet..).
If you don't like it, with the versions 4.x.x you may disable beam
breaking using:
%%halfbeam 0
ISSUE 3:
[snip]
| ^2nd Time 2nd Part {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
[snip]
PROBLEM: The added text 2nd Time 2nd Part doesn't appear in the
generated Postscript file. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be
supported by abcm2ps, but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a bug in the 3.x.x versions: the annotations go to the grace
note instead of to the main note. To make it work, place the grace note
before the annotation:
| {g} ^2nd Time 2nd Part f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
This is fixed in the 4.x.x versions.
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
Yes: '{ab2c}'.
Regards.
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Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
I'm going to top post _AND_ snip for those of you who hate that, as it's a slightly different thread. Hey Andrew, this is off topic, but I thought you might like a heads up if you're in the same position I was in... After reading hearing the word in so many different contexts, I'd started using it casually, thinking it was the equivalent of 'damn', or some such. Indeed it seemed thrown around in such a way that I figured it could not possibly be offensive to anybody. I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. I had thought it a word one could use in casual conversation, and found out that some find it quite offensive. Oh well, it was my bad... just thought you might like to know, in case you get into a situation where it really matters, and offend someone you didn't mean to, or didn't want to offend. //Christian M. Cepel Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Bugger. I'm now wondering if it might change with the default note length. Probably shouldn't, but I could try and see. Thanks! Andrew Andrew T. Lenz, Jr. www.BagpipeJourney.com Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
Well coming from England I'd have to say that I've never thought that it was anywhere near as bad as the 'f' word. Yes I do know what the word refers to and so it would make sense for it to be just as offensive, but I never found it to be the case in either Birmingham or London when I lived there. Now, as a Brit living in America I've become very away of how we gauge the depth of swearing based on the expectation of the listener. Back home I could say something and not have to guess about how it might be interpreted, over here I've become much more aware of what will and won't be understood as I intended. Most Americans that I've been exposed to, seem to think that saying the B word simply marks me as one of those weird Brits, and I guess that is the case whenever one uses slang that isn't commonly used by the majority of listeners. For example, what happens when an Australian asks for a roll of Durex in an English shop, or a Brit asks for a fag in San Fransisco. Oh what fun, it's bad enough when they use completely different names for things, but when the same name has such completely different meanings, well you get the idea. As an aside, since the meaning of the work is merely crude rather than blasphemous, i believe that it would count as swearing rather than profanity :) Sorry for the endless stream of blurb, but I really find this sort of thing very interesting :) Guy Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Christian, I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. Wow. Good to know. I thought, what I know now, to be the B (Australian B word) was equivalent to fooey. I stand corrected! Yipe! Andrew To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html . To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
You're exactly right in that it's in the 'hearer' that the distinction is drawn. I was taught by one friend and native Hindi speaker to jokingly call people 'pagel' or 'pagelpan' to call them crazy, and the same by a Taiwanese speaking friend to call someone 'san-ba' for the same purpose (it's pure Taiwanese, so those who are trying to make sense of it in Mandarin... it is what it says it just makes sense to them), and by a Korean friend to say 'michin'... For every single phrase, which I was told was completely innocuous, I've said it 'around' not 'to' a different native speaker, and had them react in absolute horror and shock at my profanity The people who taught me, were not disingenuous, quite the opposite, and they were quite surprised when I told them of my plight. Now.. I'm not going to tell the story of the Japanese business man who was told to thank the Russian businessmen around the conference table at the end of his presentation by saying 'igo nahooey'. :) //Christian M. Cepel Guy Gascoigne - Piggford wrote: Well coming from England I'd have to say that I've never thought that it was anywhere near as bad as the 'f' word. Yes I do know what the word refers to and so it would make sense for it to be just as offensive, but I never found it to be the case in either Birmingham or London when I lived there. Now, as a Brit living in America I've become very away of how we gauge the depth of swearing based on the expectation of the listener. Back home I could say something and not have to guess about how it might be interpreted, over here I've become much more aware of what will and won't be understood as I intended. Most Americans that I've been exposed to, seem to think that saying the B word simply marks me as one of those weird Brits, and I guess that is the case whenever one uses slang that isn't commonly used by the majority of listeners. For example, what happens when an Australian asks for a roll of Durex in an English shop, or a Brit asks for a fag in San Fransisco. Oh what fun, it's bad enough when they use completely different names for things, but when the same name has such completely different meanings, well you get the idea. As an aside, since the meaning of the work is merely crude rather than blasphemous, i believe that it would count as swearing rather than profanity :) Sorry for the endless stream of blurb, but I really find this sort of thing very interesting :) Guy Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Christian, I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. Wow. Good to know. I thought, what I know now, to be the B (Australian B word) was equivalent to fooey. I stand corrected! Yipe! Andrew To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html . To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
Jean-Francois,
First off, thanks for a great program!! Hats off to you!
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:13 -0700, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone!
Hello Andrew,
ISSUE 1:
PROBLEM: triplets in the first line. The first one works fine, that is,
it places a 3 above the arch, the second, however, the 3 appears
over the ef gracenotes! (Seems buggy to me.)
We don't want the number UNDER the triplets.
Is there a better way of getting numbers over the triplets?
Odd: your example works fine with both 3.7.18 and 4.6.5.
Otherwise, actually, you cannot force the the tuplet numbers to go
above the notes. Some day, I will add an other tuplet option...
I have to apologize. I still had 3.7.9 installed. I must be getting old. I
thought I had downloaded 3.7.18, but must have skipped that step. Oops. I
imagine it should work correctly with 3.7.18.
ISSUE 2:
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
[snip]
In other words, BarFly draws all four notes with a double line (1/16) in
the backbone of the beam, and draws an extra line between the middle two
notes to indicate that they're 1/32. abcm2ps draws a single line
through all four, a double line for the outer pairs and two little flags
pointing outwards on the middle notes.
Is there a way to get abcm2ps to do it the Barfly way, which we think is
more readable?
As there is no ABC indication for beaming, each programmer codes the
best she thinks. In this case, I had remarks saying that, as the tempo
is binary, beaming should stop on binary borders (this not easy to do,
and not fully solved yet..).
If you don't like it, with the versions 4.x.x you may disable beam
breaking using:
%%halfbeam 0
Any chance of an appearance like that of Barfly's screen display? Maybe as
Ewan said, a %%centerbeam option? Or maybe that's what you are eluding
to above.
ISSUE 3:
[snip]
| ^2nd Time 2nd Part {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
[snip]
PROBLEM: The added text 2nd Time 2nd Part doesn't appear in the
generated Postscript file. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be
supported by abcm2ps, but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a bug in the 3.x.x versions: the annotations go to the grace
note instead of to the main note. To make it work, place the grace note
before the annotation:
| {g} ^2nd Time 2nd Part f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
This is fixed in the 4.x.x versions.
I'll give that a shot, should get around the problem.
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
Yes: '{ab2c}'.
Thank you for implementing that.
Andrew
Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
Santa Cruz, California
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Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
Andrew,
For issue 1, you're abusing the guitar chord syntax. Use the real
tuplet sytax and let the typesetter handle the triplet marking. I.e.
use
|: {g}e (3d/c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {ef}e (3d/c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {fg}fdB
adB | {g}fdB {g}fga |
\
For issue 2, it's just a matter of the typesetting conventions used by
each program. To my knowledge, abcm2ps doesn't have a code switch to
control that. You'd probably have to modify the code that processes the
beaming information.
For issue 3, the added text starts with a caret ^ symbol. Abcm2ps
might be choking on that and ignoring the rest of the quoted text. (I
don't happen to have it loaded on the machine I'm using for this email,
so I can't check it). Abc2ps used to have a verbose mode which helps
for these kind of things, but unfortunately I think Jef took that out
of abcm2ps. Hopefully he'll see this post and could say for sure.
For issue 4, there was some discussion a long time ago about handling
duration markings on gracenotes. It's not in the abc spec, and to my
knowledge none of the available abc software implements it. Yes, this
would be useful for bagpipe music, but I've only seen that in
piobreachd (for you non-pipers, that's classical music in the GHB
world) and I doubt you need it for pipeband scores.
Eric
On Jul 20, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr. wrote:
Hello everyone!
I'm currently trying to unify the appearance of our bagpipe band sheet
music using abcm2ps (v3.7.18, under Mac OS X)---lots of different
music books!
I've run into problems I don't know how to solve and I'm hoping for
some work-arounds.
==
ISSUE 1:
Here's the FIRST file:
%%straightflags 1
%%flatbeams 1
%%titlefont Helvetica-Bold 20
%%landscape 1
X: 1
T: Keelman O'er the Land
C: Traditional, Arr. Gordon Mooney
N:
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: HP
\
|: {g}e (d/3c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {ef}e (d/3c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {fg}fdB
adB | {g}fdB {g}fga |
\
| {ef}ecA {g}ABc | {g}caf {g}ecA | {g}B/c/d/c/B {g}c/d/e/d/c | {g}f2 e
{g}fga :|
[***rest of file removed***]
PROBLEM: triplets in the first line. The first one works fine, that is,
it places a 3 above the arch, the second, however, the 3 appears
over the ef gracenotes! (Seems buggy to me.)
We don't want the number UNDER the triplets.
Is there a better way of getting numbers over the triplets?
==
ISSUE 2:
Here's the SECOND file:
%%straightflags 1
%%flatbeams 1
%%titlefont Helvetica-Bold 20
%%landscape 0
%%scale 0.65
X: 1
T: Major Manson's Farewell to Clachantrushal
C: PM D. MacLean
N: Composed when a POW during the 1939 - 45 War
M: 2/4
% Q: 1/4 = 70
R: March
L: 1/8
K: HP
\
|: {g}A/B/ | {GdG}c2 {gBd}B{e}A/{d}c/ | {gef}e{g}A/B/ {gcd}ca/f/ |
{gef}e{g}A/{d}c/ {g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/ | {g}c/e/a/c/ {gdB}B{g}A/B/ |
\
| {GdG}c2 {gBd}B{e}A/{d}c/ | {gef}e{g}A/B/ {gcd}c{g}B/{d}A/ |
{g}c/e/a/f/ {gef}e/c/{g}B/{d}c/ | {g}c{G}A {GAG}A :|
[***rest of file removed***]
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
Here the first two (non-grace) notes are tied by a 1/16 bar and the
second two are tied also, BUT, between the e and the c, the 1/16th bar
is missing, that is, they are tied together by only the eighth note
single bar.
In other words, BarFly draws all four notes with a double line (1/16)
in
the backbone of the beam, and draws an extra line between the middle
two
notes to indicate that they're 1/32. abcm2ps draws a single line
through all four, a double line for the outer pairs and two little
flags
pointing outwards on the middle notes.
Is there a way to get abcm2ps to do it the Barfly way, which we think
is
more readable?
==
ISSUE 3:
Here's the THIRD file:
%%straightflags 1
%%flatbeams 1
%%titlefont Helvetica-Bold 20
%%landscape 0
X: 1
T: Sandy's New Chanter
R: Reel
C: PM Tom MacAllister Jr.
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: HP
\
ag |: {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df | {gf}g2 {a}fg {aBG}B2 {gf}g2 | {a}fA{g}df
{g}faga | eA{g}ce {g}eage |
\
| ^2nd Time 2nd Part {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df | {gf}g2 {a}fg {aBG}B2
{gf}g2 | {a}fA{g}df {g}eA{g}ce |1 {Gdc}d4 {gdG}d2 ag :|2 {Gdc}d4
{gdG}d2
A2 |
[***rest of file removed***]
PROBLEM: The added text 2nd Time 2nd Part doesn't appear in the
generated Postscript file. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be
supported by abcm2ps, but maybe I'm wrong.
??
==
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
(This may be weird for the rest of the world, but it has its
applications in certain types of bagpipe music.)
==
Can anyone help me out with these?
Thanks!
Andrew
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www.BagpipeJourney.com
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Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
Eric,
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Eric Mrozek wrote:
For issue 1, you're abusing the guitar chord syntax. Use the real tuplet
sytax and let the typesetter handle the triplet marking. I.e. use
|: {g}e (3d/c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {ef}e (3d/c/B/)A {gef}e2 a | {fg}fdB
adB | {g}fdB {g}fga |
\
I'll check that out. The abc coding has been a team effort by two of us (a
bandmate has actually done about 80% of the abc coding, I'm doing a lot
of the touch up) I'll change it to the standard way and see if we get
the 3 above the arc.
For issue 2, it's just a matter of the typesetting conventions used by each
program. To my knowledge, abcm2ps doesn't have a code switch to control that.
You'd probably have to modify the code that processes the beaming
information.
Bugger. I'm now wondering if it might change with the default note length.
Probably shouldn't, but I could try and see.
For issue 3, the added text starts with a caret ^ symbol. Abcm2ps might be
choking on that and ignoring the rest of the quoted text. (I don't happen to
have it loaded on the machine I'm using for this email, so I can't check it).
Abc2ps used to have a verbose mode which helps for these kind of things, but
unfortunately I think Jef took that out of abcm2ps. Hopefully he'll see this
post and could say for sure.
Mystery continues . . .
For issue 4, there was some discussion a long time ago about handling
duration markings on gracenotes. It's not in the abc spec, and to my
knowledge none of the available abc software implements it. Yes, this would
be useful for bagpipe music, but I've only seen that in piobreachd (for you
non-pipers, that's classical music in the GHB world) and I doubt you need
it for pipeband scores.
I got a message from Down Under with the following solution example:
{ge4d}A2
Notice the modification number in the grace note series. He sent me the
abcm2ps-3.7.18 generated Postscript file and it works. I've never seen any
documentation on it, but it seems to function OK for this example.
Oh, and as for pipe bands and piobaireachd scores. We're not your average
pipe band!
Thanks!
Andrew
Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
www.BagpipeJourney.com
Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.
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Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
On 20 Jul 2004 at 21:33, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr. wrote:
==
ISSUE 2:
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
Here the first two (non-grace) notes are tied by a 1/16 bar and the
second two are tied also, BUT, between the e and the c, the 1/16th bar
is missing, that is, they are tied together by only the eighth note
single bar.
Have a look at the %%halfbeam command in the latest versions of
abcm2ps. With %%halfbeam 0, you will get full double (16th-note)
beamimg through your group of 16th notes. With %%halfbeam 1 (the
default) you get the group split into 8ths as you are seeing.
Unfortunately, with %%halfbeam 0, and a rhythm with interior 32nd
notes (i.e. L:1/16, ), the 32nds are drawn connected by a 32nd
beam, rather than with flags (or beam stubs?) pointing outward to the
dotted 16ths. %%halfbeam 1 does it dot-and-flag style. Perhaps Jean-
Francois could add a %%centerbeam command to choose which way to do it.
==
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
You've already had a reply to this ( {ge2d} ) , but I thought I'd
mention that the gracenote-length modifier feature *is* documented in
features.txt in the Tune Body section.
cheers,
Ewan
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