, 2008 9:13 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM being abandoned?
A VTL vendor said he is seeing a number of mid-sized businesses
migrating from TSM to NBU (Symantec). Do you think this is true? My
concern is that the pool of support techs will shrink and put us in a
bind.
Regards
10:36 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM being abandoned?
During our audit, I was commissioned to perform an exhaustively
thorough
search of the current backup vendors out there, and I included VTL and
de-dupe technologies, etc. NBU or CommVault were a couple I was
looking
Hello colleagues,
TSM being abandoned ?
I don't know but IBM 6.1 will have much more functionality than previous
versions. IBM has bought two companies FilesX and Diligent . FilesX will be add
to TSM in Windows environments, and Diligent improves the dedup technologies.
First question
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Hello colleagues,
TSM being abandoned ?
I don't know but IBM 6.1 will have much
Fourth question : In my opinion VTLs provide not too much possibilities,
in general VTLs aren't matures but it is ideal for lanfree backup.
Speeking of lan free, if a VTL can emulate a tape drive, why can't TSM do
this? If TSM can simulate a tape drive to the client, the client can do LAN
Timothy,
There was a discussion session about this at the Oxford TSM Symposium last
fall, facilitated by some folks in TSM Development. I cannot say what will
be in the next version of TSM, but I can say that IBM appears to be well
aware of this issue, and they have taken steps to listen to
A few more points:
- It's true that hardware compression is faster than software compression,
and off-loads the server. Hardware compression often is an extra-cost
item. This can also be true of encryption, if done in hardware. The
question is, where do you want to do your encryption? At the
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A few more points:
- It's true that hardware compression is faster than software compression,
and off-loads the server. Hardware
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It is slotted to be released Jan 2009.
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Timothy Hughes
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It is slotted to be released Jan 2009.
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Timothy Hughes
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Timothy Hughes wrote:
Well, on that note I have a possible stupid question does anyone
think it's will be possible for a customer to have a choice of staying with
the current TSM database if they liked they way it is and still upgrade
to TSM V6? Sorry I was just curious
No, but you will
Remco Post wrote:
Timothy Hughes wrote:
Well, on that note I have a possible stupid question does anyone
think it's will be possible for a customer to have a choice of
staying with
the current TSM database if they liked they way it is and still upgrade
to TSM V6? Sorry I was just curious
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Remco Post wrote:
Timothy Hughes wrote:
Well, on that note I have a possible stupid question does anyone
think it's will be possible for a customer to have a choice of
staying with
the current TSM database if they liked
genius, power and magic.
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Remco Post wrote:
Timothy Hughes wrote:
Well
genius, power and magic.
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Remco Post wrote:
Timothy Hughes wrote:
Well
and the performance is questionable.
Best regards
Hans Chr.
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A VTL vendor said he is seeing
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We look at dedup VTL as a possible target for active storage pools
containing ordinary file backup. This way we don't risk very
Technologies
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Howard Coles
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I'd say businesses are migrating in all kinds of directions. I'd
Deduplicating VTLs fit better into NBU sites. TSM's progressive
incremental methodology already reduces the data stream, making
deduping
VTLs less of a win, though it can still be beneficial.
As I've said before, TSM's progressive incremental does tend to reduce
the total dedupe ratio by
: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:15 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM being abandoned?
I have been configuring a new TSM server since last November. At
first
I wanted a VTL. But when I learned from the Oxford symposium
presentations
that TSM would have its own dedup in version 6
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Subject: [ADSM-L] What to dedup.. was TSM being abandoned?
Hi,
Isnt dedup most beneficial at deduplicating databses ex. Oracle
There is a presentation out on the web from the Oxford 2007 Symposium about
TSM dedup. From reading it, I'm sure just how useful it will be. It only
supports FILE devices (files are re-duplicated when written to tape) and
duplicate blocks are not removed until reclamation (you don't get the
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Emne: What to dedup.. was TSM being abandoned?
Hi,
Isnt dedup most beneficial at deduplicating databses ex. Oracle and
Domino etc...? No pre-compression or encryption.
Even Data Domain dedup thoose types av data pretty well.
But I tend to agree
/IBM on 04/17/2008 01:51 PM
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Re: TSM being abandoned?
Curtis Preston
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Compression and encryption are also much faster in hardware than
software
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especially when the software is running on a processor doing other
work.
Nothing new under the sun - it's just the same paradigm applied to a
new
function
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Curtis Preston
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Nicholas Cassimatis wrote:
As an appliance, I call that Hardware, as in it's a device outside of the
host getting the service, performing the service.
You can call an apple a pear, but that will not make it so.
Now, more to the point, of course an appliance doing exactly one task
(dedup
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Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM being abandoned?
A VTL vendor said he is seeing a number of mid-sized businesses
migrating from TSM to NBU (Symantec). Do you think this is true? My
concern is that the pool
AM
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Subject: Re: TSM being abandoned?
I'd say businesses are migrating in all kinds of directions. I'd think
that you'd see some migrating from other products to TSM as well,
however, it would be interesting to see current numbers.
See Ya'
Howard
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Maybe it has something to do with IBM's recent audit of TSM
licensee's
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM being abandoned?
Maybe it has something to do with IBM's recent audit of TSM licensee's.
I know our management is seriously thinking of abandoning TSM due to
cost.
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Howard
Deduplicating VTLs fit better into NBU sites. TSM's progressive
incremental methodology already reduces the data stream, making deduping
VTLs less of a win, though it can still be beneficial. My point is that
VTL vendors may not look as positively on TSM as they do on other
less-efficient backup
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Deduplicating VTLs fit better into NBU sites. TSM's progressive
incremental methodology already reduces the data stream, making deduping
VTLs less of a win, though it can still
it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic.
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I have been configuring a new TSM server
with a TSM system.
See Ya'
Howard
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I have been configuring a new TSM
Colwell
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Deduplicating VTLs fit better into NBU sites. TSM's progressive
incremental
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Is Version 6 going to be released this Year or Next?
regards
Colwell, William F. wrote:
I have been configuring a new TSM server since last November. At first
I wanted a VTL. But when I learned from the Oxford symposium
presentations
that TSM would
It is slotted to be released Jan 2009.
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Timothy Hughes
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Is Version 6 going to be released
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It is slotted to be released Jan 2009.
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Is Version 6
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An IBM TSM person told me that TSM v6 will have db2 for its database
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