Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 28 April 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote: Sure, I can see what you mean, and that sounds very altruistic, to keep Elaine's material 'on file' so to speak. It's a highly defensible position, on the face of it, but in reality, we all know what being quietly side-lined means.

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote: I met on IRC[1], or for saying There's a girl on #perl, instead of there's a programmer on #perl or whatever. This sort of thing is classic sexism. You're making a big deal out of someone's sex. Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Andy Lester
On May 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited and said There's a Jew on #perl. Would that make you feel comfortable? Would you want to come back? Would it make you feel included in the group? This analogy is

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Andy Lester wrote: Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited and said There's a Jew on #perl. Would that make you feel comfortable? Would you want to come back? Would it make you feel included in the group? This analogy is beautiful. It also

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Elaine Ashton
I heard somewhere that freedom cannot be given, and it must be taken and fought for. LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but then remembered the real quote which is: Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away. I'll merely wait and see just how things

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote: LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but then remembered the real quote which is: Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away. There seem to be a number of versions of this quote on the net. Some match the meaning

Re: Women in Perl [was Re: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html ]

2008-05-01 Thread Elaine Ashton
On 01 May, 2008, at 17:45, Dave Rolsky wrote: You all lose points. Shlomi loses for quoting the tagline to a Spielberg film as if it were deep philosophy. Elaine loses for managing to find the negative version, when most net sources seem to go with the positive. Negative version? I