Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Eric Baum
Pei (2) A true AGI should have the potential to learn any natural Pei language (though not necessarily to the level of native Pei speakers). This embodies an implicit assumption about language which is worth noting. It is possible that the nature of natural language is such that humans could

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread James Ratcliff
Thats a totally different problem, and considering the massive knowledge whole currently about how the human brain works, we would have some major problems in that area, though it is interesting. One other problem there, what about two way communications? You are proposing to have the brain talk

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Russell Wallace
On 10/31/06, John Scanlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the major obstacles to real AI is the belief thatknowledge ofa natural language is necessary for intelligence. Ahuman-level intelligent system should be expected to have the ability to learn a natural language, but it is not

RE: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Jef Allbright
Russell Wallace wrote: Syntactic ambiguity isn't the problem. The reason computers don't understand English is nothing to do with syntax, it's because they don't understand the world. It's easy to parse The cat sat on the mat into sentence verb sit /verb subject cat

[agi] inference methods

2006-11-02 Thread Pablo Carbonell
Hi, Im currently studying econometric methods... those are supposed to find patterns in series of variables. There are other approaches for finding patterns in data, like neural networks. What I wonder is, a neural network could do the job of econometric methods? Any ideas?

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Matt Mahoney
- Original Message From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:26:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages Here is how I intend to use Lojban++ in teaching Novamente. When Novamente is controlling a

Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yes, teaching an AI in Esperanto would make more sense than teaching it in English ... but, would not serve the same purpose as teaching it in Lojban++ and a natural language in parallel... In fact, an ideal educational programme would probably be to use, in parallel -- an Esperanto-based,

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Pei Wang
On 11/2/06, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pei Wang wrote: On 11/2/06, Eric Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover, I argue that language is built on top of a heavy inductive bias to develop a certain conceptual structure, which then renders the names of concepts highly

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Eric Baum
Eliezer unless P != NP and the concepts are genuinely encrypted. And I am of course assuming P != NP, which seems to me a safe assumption. If P = NP, and mind exploits that fact (which I don't believe) then we are at a serious handicap in producing an AGI till we understand why P = NP, but it

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Matt Mahoney
I don't know enough about Novamente to say if your approach would work. Using an artificial language as part of the environment (as opposed to a substitute for natural language) does seem to make sense. I think an interesting goal would be to teach an AGI to write software. If I understand

Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I think an interesting goal would be to teach an AGI to write software. If I understand your explanation, this is the same problem. Yeah, it's the same problem. It's a very small step from Lojban to a programming language, and in fact Luke Kaiser and I have talked about making a

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Pei Wang
On 11/2/06, Eric Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Pei's comments are in some sense wishes. To be charitable-- maybe I should say beliefs supported by his experience. But they are not established facts. It remains a possibility, supported by reasonable evidence, that language learning may be an

Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Lukasz Kaiser
Hi. It's a very small step from Lojban to a programming language, and in fact Luke Kaiser and I have talked about making a programming language syntax based on Lojban, using his Speagram program interpreter framework. The nice thing about Lojban is that it does have the flexibility to be used

Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
Luke wrote: It seems to be like this: when you start programming, even though the syntax is still natural, the language gets really awkward and does not resemble the way you would express the same thing naturally. For me it just shows that the real problem is somewhere deeper, in the semantic