[agi] Guessing robots

2007-05-10 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
article in NS about the Purdue guessing robot navigators... http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn11805-guessing-robots-navigate-faster.html I think I get a toljaso on this one --- if the architecture were composed of modules that did CBR, each in its own language, from the very start, this

Re: [agi] Guessing robots

2007-05-10 Thread Bob Mottram
I don't know what algorithms are being referred to in this article - perhaps a type of monte carlo localization. Does anyone have more direct references? Also it's only in 2D, which is normal for laser based mapping. It's unlikely that we'll see products based on this sort of technology

Re: [agi] Guessing robots

2007-05-10 Thread Bo Morgan
You could probably buy 10 cheap webcams and put them all around the robot and get some vision algorithms to turn them into 3D scenes, which are avoided/mapped? This seems like a pretty well understood and constrained problem. It also sounds like a lot of robot perception work on object

Re: [agi] Guessing robots

2007-05-10 Thread Bob Mottram
On 10/05/07, Bo Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could probably buy 10 cheap webcams and put them all around the robot and get some vision algorithms to turn them into 3D scenes, which are avoided/mapped? This seems like a pretty well understood and constrained problem. This kind of camera

RE: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-10 Thread Derek Zahn
David Clark writes: I can predict with high accuracy what I will think on almost any topic. People that can't, either don't know much about the principles they use to think or aren't very rational. I don't use emotion or the current room temperature to make decisions. (No implication

[agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Just been looking at the vids. of last year's AGI conference. One thing really hit me from the panel talk - and that was: but, of course, only open-source AGI will ever work. Sorry, but all these ideas of individual systems, produced by teams of - what? - say, twenty individuals at most -

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Determinism By simulate, I mean in the formal sense, as a universal Turing machine can

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Ben, I imagine, more or less knows the open-source truth in talking about an AGI Manhattan Project. But even that would be too small. The whole world - the whole Internet - will have to be involved.. I don't really agree with this. A Manhattan project would be awesome and would maximize

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Russell Wallace
On 5/11/07, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The greatest challenge - and these are my first, very stumbling thoughts here - is to find ways that people can work together on the overall roblem - that all these systems (or subsystems) that people are working on can connect and evolve

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Samantha  Atkins
On May 10, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Benjamin Goertzel wrote: Ben, I imagine, more or less knows the open-source truth in talking about an AGI Manhattan Project. But even that would be too small. The whole world - the whole Internet - will have to be involved.. I don't really agree with this.

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Russell Wallace
On 5/11/07, Samantha Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to agree. Many hands and eyeballs are great for a project of many relatively isolatable components whose requirements and interaction are relatively understood. But AGI is pushing the envelope tremendously and, to the degree I

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Samantha  Atkins
On May 10, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Russell Wallace wrote: Well there are two phases, framework and content. The framework is as you say: it needs to be a cathedral. The content needs to be of volume such that only a whole industry can create it: definitely a bazaar. The hard part then is

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Russell Wallace
On 5/11/07, Samantha Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think (could be wrong) that part of the goal of the core team is to create a mind that can largely navigate huge amounts of data for itself, something that has the basis to learn autonomously on the Web. It may take a phase of a lot of

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
Open source vs closed source is one of the most difficult decisions I faced in my entire AGI career. I've always championed open source AND for-profit, which is the middleground of open-free and closed-commercial, though it may seem like a contradiction. Sometimes I think it may work in a

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread Russell Wallace
Mind you, the free/commercial and closed/open-source decisions are separate ones. They're strategic decisions; there's nothing about the problem that intrinsically requires either, it's a matter of coming up with a strategy that can let the participants pay the rent while they work on the

Re: [agi] Open-Source AGI

2007-05-10 Thread A. T. Murray
Mike Tintner wrote: The greatest challenge - and these are my first, very stumbling thoughts here - is to find ways that people can work together on the overall problem - that all these systems (or subsystems) that people are working on can connect and evolve together.

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-10 Thread David Clark
- Original Message - From: Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Determinism Perhaps I did not state clearly. I assume you are familiar with the concept of a universal Turing machine. Suppose a machine M