Re: [agi] Quick Hawkins Questions

2007-05-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Thanks, Ben. If anyone knows more, I'd be grateful - that's such a huge, fundamental claim - basically no computer can [up till now] recognize a cat, or any object , that I think it's important to establish the historical truth of it. (He actually didn't distinguish between drawings/fotos. I

Re: [agi] Tommy

2007-05-14 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Sunday 13 May 2007 08:14:43 am Kingma, D.P. wrote: John, as I wrote earlier, I'm very interested in learning more about your particular approach to: - Concept and pattern representation. (i.e. types of concept, patterns, relations?) As I mentioned in another note, (about the tennis ball),

Re: [agi] Quick Hawkins Questions

2007-05-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Yes, there are many systems that do object classification from photos. For example, this recent work of Poggio et al seems to me significantly more impressive than Hawkins work-so-far, cbcl.*mit*.edu/projects/cbcl/publications/ps/serre-wolf-*poggio*-PAMI-07.pdf both in terms of biological

Re: [agi] Tommy

2007-05-14 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Saturday 12 May 2007 10:24:03 pm Lukasz Stafiniak wrote: Do you have some interesting links about imitation? I've found these, not all of them interesting, I'm just showing what I have: Thanks -- some of those look interesting. I don't have any good links, but I'd reccomend Hurley Chater,

Re: [agi] Quick Hawkins Questions

2007-05-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
A: I don't know of any that works too well (and invariantly, including recognizing mirrored images different orientation etc... This is fairly important for a system functioning in a dynamic world, and it is obviously a tough nut to crack) Well, too well is ambiguous... There are plenty of

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread David Clark
- Original Message - From: Derek Zahn To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: RE: [agi] Determinism Matt Mahoney writes: (sigh) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scruffies I don't think my disagreement with Matt is about Neats vs

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Saying that you don't trade time for memory in models or any computer program just shows a lack of real world experience on the part of Matt IMHO. David Clark Of course CS is full of time/memory tradeoffs, but I think Matt's point was that a finite-state machine just can't completely

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread Shane Legg
On 5/14/07, David Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though I have a Math minor from University, I have used next to no Mathematics in my 30 year programming/design career. Yes, but what do you program? I've been programming for 24 years and I use math all the time. Recently I've been

Re: [agi] All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain

2007-05-14 Thread Richard Loosemore
Pei Wang wrote: [snip] Can you be more specific here? What is the nature of a concept X? How can it contribute to operator construction? What is a good relationship between concepts? Pei Oh, rats! ;-) Now you are going to make me switch my brain on. Darn, I should have seen that coming.

RE: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread John G. Rose
Have to blurb on this as it irks me - Even if you write a Hello World app it is a mathematical entity expressed through a mathematical medium. Software layers from source to binary to OS to drivers are a gradation from the mathematically abstract to the physical world as is with painting an

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Monday 14 May 2007 11:02:33 am Benjamin Goertzel wrote: We use some probability theory ... and some of the theory of rewriting systems, lambda calculus, etc. This stuff is in a subordinate role to a cognitive-systems-theory-based design, but is still very useful... ditto -- and for my

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread David Clark
- Original Message - From: Benjamin Goertzel To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Determinism I have never been impressed by complicated formulas and I have been many slick (Math) talking people who couldn't produce anything

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread Mark Waser
Well, since we are using C++, most of our code has to do with neither Mathematics nor Computer Science but just C++ language muckery Consider me to be tweaking you again for this . . . . :-) Have you considered a real development language and platform? (No need to reply . . . . I'm

Re: [agi] Determinism

2007-05-14 Thread Mike Tintner
dc: I have never been impressed by complicated formulas and I have been many slick (Math) talking people who couldn't produce anything that worked in the real world. Ben: A fascinating Freudian slip! ;-) Wow - you're the first AI person I've come across with any Freudian perspective. Minsky