RE: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Miller
The leading software packages in high speed facial recogniton are based upon feature extraction. If the face is analyzed into lets say 30 features perhaps, then 30 processes could analyze the photo for these features in parallel. After that the 30 features are just looked up in a relational

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread A. T. Murray
John G. Rose wrote: It'd be interesting, I kind of wonder about this sometimes, if an AGI, especially one that is heavily complex systems based would independently come up with the existence some form of a deity. http://mind.sourceforge.net/theology.html is my take on the subject.

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Mike Tintner
AM:Human: Is there a God? Supercomputer: Now there is. Can you explain to me how an AGI or supercomputer could be God? I'd just like to understand ( not argue) - you see, the thought has never occurred to me, and still doesn't. I can imagine a sci-fi scenario where a supercomputer might be v.

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Miller
An AI would attempt to understand the universe to the best of it's ability, intelligence and experimentation could provide. If the AI reaches a point in it's developmental understanding where it is unable to advance beyond in it's understanding of science and reality then it will attempt to

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Porter
Relevant to this thread is the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html?ref=magazine http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html?ref=magazine; pagewanted=print pagewanted=print Ed Porter -Original Message- From: John G.

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Mike Tintner
Thanks. So perhaps the key idea/ assumption behind this and comparable scenarios is that of an AGI relentlessly evolving its knowledge and intelligence - the takeoff that keeps going - towards omniscience? Gary: An AI would attempt to understand the universe to the best of it's ability,

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Bryan Bishop
On Sunday 09 December 2007, Mark Waser wrote: Pascal's wager starts with the false assumption that belief in a deity has no cost. Formally, yes. However, I think it's easy to imagine a Pascal's wager where we replace diety with anything Truly Objective, such as whatever it is that we hope the

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread John G. Rose
If you took an AGI, before it went singulatarinistic[sic?] and tortured it.. a lot, ripping into it in every conceivable hellish way, do you think at some point it would start praying somehow? I'm not talking about a forced conversion medieval style, I'm just talking hypothetically if it would

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Porter
Upon reviewing the below linked article I realized it would take you a while to understand what it is about and why it is relevant. It is an article dated March 4, 2007, summarizing current scientific thinking on why religion has been a part of virtually all known cultures including thinking

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Miller
John asked If you took an AGI, before it went singulatarinistic[sic?] and tortured it.. a lot, ripping into it in every conceivable hellish way, do you think at some point it would start praying somehow? I'm not talking about a forced conversion medieval style, I'm just talking hypothetically if

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread John G. Rose
I don't know some of these guys come up with these almost sophomoric views of this subject, especially Dawkins, that guy can be real annoying with his Saganistic spewing of facts and his trivialization of religion. The article does shed some interesting light though in typical NY Times style.

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Porter
John, What I found most interesting in the article, from an AGI standpoint, is the evidence our brain is wired for explanation and to assign a theory of mind to certain types of events. A natural bias toward explanation would be important for an AGI's credit assignment and ability to predict.