Re: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread Ben Goertzel
Perhaps it will start to give you a sense that words and indeed all symbols provide an extremely limited *inventory of the world* and all its infinite parts and behaviours. I welcome any impressionistic responses here, including confused questions. I agree with the above, but I think one

[agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread Mike Tintner
Perhaps this site will help some of you to start seeing that symbols have extremely limited powers, and something more is needed - and also give you a sense of how attitudes are changing. http://www.imageandmeaning.org/ (it's part of the Envisioning Science Program - check out the movie)

RE: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-15 Thread David Clark
I agree with Pei Wang 100% on this point. Even though I find many of the comments from Mike to be interesting, I think it would be much more productive to add to the solutions and problems of creating a computer based AGI rather than trying to convince the converted that AGI on today's computers

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-15 Thread Stephen Reed
David said: Most of the people on this list have quite different ideas about how an AGI should be made BUT I think there are a few things that most, if not all agree on. 1. Intelligence can be created by using computers that exist today using software.

RE: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread Ed Porter
Mike, You have been pushing this anti-symbol/pro-image dichotomy for a long time. I don't understand it. Images are set, or nets, of symbols. So, if, as you say all symbols provide an extremely limited *inventory of the world* and all its infinite parts and behaviors then

Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers [WAS Re: Singularity Outcomes...]

2008-02-15 Thread Kaj Sotala
Gah, sorry for the awfully late response. Studies aren't leaving me the energy to respond to e-mails more often than once in a blue moon... On Feb 4, 2008 8:49 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They would not operate at the proposition level, so whatever difficulties they have,

Re: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread William Pearson
On 15/02/2008, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, You have been pushing this anti-symbol/pro-image dichotomy for a long time. I don't understand it. Images are set, or nets, of symbols. So, if, as you say all symbols provide an extremely limited *inventory of

RE: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread Ed Porter
In response to William Pearson's message below. I agree a definition of symbol might be helpful. By symbol I just mean something that represents something other than itself. There need not be any explicit definition of what it represents. In some cases what it represents may only be defined

Re: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-ination

2008-02-15 Thread Mike Tintner
RE: [agi] A 1st Step To Using Your Image-inationEd:I agree a definition of symbol might be helpful. In general there is agreement here, but some people do use the term confusingly in an all-purpose way. 1.Symbols : Abstract signs that have NO RESEMBLANCE to the signified.Word - tree -