Re: Computational requirements of AGI (Re: [agi] database access fast enough?)

2008-04-20 Thread Nikolay Ognyanov
FYI: there is still some way to go by shrinking transistors. From current minimum of 45nm half-pitch down to probably 16nm. Possibly even 11nm but that is already questionable. This will ensure some 5 to 10 more years of Moore's low being fueled by transistor shrinking and roughly an order of

Re: Open source (was Re: [agi] The Strange Loop of AGI Funding: now logically proved!)

2008-04-20 Thread Bob Mottram
Until a true AGI is developed I think it will remain necessary to pay programmers to write programs, at least some of the time. You can't always rely upon voluntary effort, especially when the problem you want to solve is fairly obscure. On 19/04/2008, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[agi] Science 2.0

2008-04-20 Thread Mike Tintner
[Sci Am] May 08 The first generation of World Wide Web capabilities rapidly transformed retailing and information search. More recent attributes such as blogging, tagging and social networking, dubbed Web 2.0, have just as quickly expanded people's ability not just to consume online information

Re: Open source (was Re: [agi] The Strange Loop of AGI Funding: now logically proved!)

2008-04-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Bob... ... and of course, OSS does not contradict paying programmers to write software. I have no plans to dissolve Novamente LLC, for example ;-p ... we're actually doing better than ever ... And, I note that SIAI is now paying 2 programmers (one full time, one 3/5 time) to work on OpenCog

Re: [agi] Science 2.0

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Mike, The article is entirely available here. I believe that it not appropriate (i.e. illegal) to reproduce copyrighted material from web sites for which all rights are reserved, without their permission. Fair use, as typically employed on the web, would allow quotation of the first few

[agi] UMBEL subject ontology based upon OpenCyc released

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Zitgist has released UMBEL web services that provide a subject ontology, based upon the OpenCyc ontology that is linked to other useful ontologies including WordNet. A useful navigation page is here. This news is especially good for Texai because I too have adopted the OpenCyc ontology as

[agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Mike Tintner
Current Directions in Psychological Science - April 2008 - In Press http://www.psychologicalscience.org/journals/cd/17_2_inpress/Barsalou_completed.pdf THE DOMINANT THEORY IN COGNITIVE SCIENCE Across diverse areas of psychology, computer science, linguistics, and philosophy, the dominant

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-20 Thread Ed Porter
RICHARD, I can't provide concrete reasons why Novamente and roughly similar approaches will work --- precisely because they are designed to operate in the realm Wolfram calls computationally irreducible --- meaning it cannot be modeled properly by anything substantially less complex than itself.

Re: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, Thanks for the reference, which I will study further. As many know, the Texai KB is currently crisp and symbolic, and will have to stay that way until after the bootstrap English dialog system is developed. I want Texai to be implemented in a cognitively plausible manner, and articles

Re: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve, Check out Grounded Cognition, by Barsalou. He makes the fascinating point that purely symbolic approaches to conceptualisation are actually, historically, an aberration . Origins of Grounded Cognition Perhaps surprisingly, grounded cognition has been the dominant view of cognition for

[agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? -- summary of response so far

2008-04-20 Thread Ed Porter
--- SUMMARY OF POSTS SO FAR RE --- WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? === ===Matt Mahoney -- Sat 4/19/2008 12:10 PM - Lack of well defined goals. What defines AGI? A better spam filter? A robotic housemaid? Automating all human labor? -

RE: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Ed Porter
I don't see any conflict between the dominant theory in cognitive science and that in cognitive neuroscience quoted below, rather a clarification. The latter quote pretty much says the same thing. The amodal nodes could represent combinations of ANDed or ORed modal nodes, which fits naturally with

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-20 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ed Porter wrote: RICHARD, I can't provide concrete reasons why Novamente and roughly similar approaches will work --- precisely because they are designed to operate in the realm Wolfram calls computationally irreducible --- meaning it cannot be modeled properly by anything substantially less

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-20 Thread William Pearson
On 19/04/2008, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but this brief sketch will have to do until I get some more time. These may be in some new AI material, but I haven't had the chance to read up much recently.

RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-20 Thread Derek Zahn
William Pearson writes: Consider an AI learning chess, it is told in plain english that... I think the points you are striving for (assuming I understand what you mean) are very important and interesting. Even the first simplest steps toward this clear and (seemingly) simple task baffle me.

Re: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, I've printed but not yet fully studied the Barsalou paper. But I am still very comforted by your quotation from his work: ... he posits as primary something more like 2) an agent-dependent instruction manual. According to this metaphor, knowledge of a category is not a general

Re: [agi] An Open Letter to AGI Investors

2008-04-20 Thread Benjamin Johnston
First, I think there is a world of difference between passionate researchers at the beginning of the field, in 1956, and passionate researchers in 2008 who have a half-century of other people's mistakes to learn from. The secret of success is to try and fail, then to try again with a fresh