I think this sort of virtual world is an excellent idea.
I agree with Benjamin Johnston's idea of a unified object model where
everything consists of beads.
I notice you mentioned distributing the computation. This would
certainly be valuable in the long run, but for the first version I
would
Hi Ben,
I've been looking at the same problem from a different angle... rather than
searching for simplified artificial worlds for an agent to live in, I've
been searching for models of the world to be used directly for reasoning
(i.e., the internal world for an agent situated in the real world).
Hi Mike (Tintner),
You've often made bold claims about what all AGIers do or don't do. This
is despite the fact that you haven't met me in person and I haven't revealed
many of my own long term plans on this list (and I'm sure I'm not the only
one): you're making bold claims about *all* of us,
Hi YKY,
I'm considering getting a PhD somewhere, and I've accumulated some
material for a thesis in my 50%-finished AGI book. I think getting a
PhD will put my work in a more rigorous form and get it published.
Also it may help me get funding afterwards, either in academia or in
the business
Could we please stick to discussion of AGI?
-Ben
From: Steve Richfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Richard and Bill,
On
I completed the first draft of a technical paper on consciousness the
other day. It is intended for the AGI-09 conference, and it can be
found at:
Hi Richard,
I don't have any comments yet about what you have written, because I'm
not sure I fully understand what you're trying to say...
Rather than assuming idiocy, censorship or ill intent; why not give them the
benefit of the doubt?
Maybe they felt that offering anybody the chance to sign up as a speaker
with a session title, your name, a link to your bio or website, and perhaps
a picture of you was enough. You have
that is helpful,
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if there were more people here
like YKY.
This is already off topic for this mailing list, so if you would like to
discuss it further please feel free to email me directly.
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Within the domain of chess there is everything to know about chess.
So if it comes up to be a good chess player learning chess from playing
chess must be sufficient. Thus, an AGI which is not able to enhance its
abilities in chess from playing chess alone is no AGI.
I'm jumping into this
Hi,
I have a general question for those (such as Novamente) working on AGI
systems that use genetic algorithms as part of their search strategy.
A GA researcher recently explained to me some of his experiments in
embedding prior knowledge into systems. For example, when attempting to
This is a draft of my paper =)
I need some feedback before releasing it officially
Comments, suggestions, are welcome!
Hi YKY,
I found your paper interesting to read. You've got a nice story about
combining P and Z inference, and your integration of the two sounds quite
sensible.
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate your message. It is good to get
contributions on these META themes from individuals who are *not*
among the 5-10% of list members who frequently post.
If any other lurkers or semi-lurkers have opinions on these META
issues, I and others would be interested
Can you define that difference in an abstract, general way? I
mean, what is the *qualitative* difference that makes:
cybersex is a kind of sex
different from:
penguin is a kind of bird?
I believe that cybersex and phone sex are called sex in a metaphoric way.
The keyboard or
you're
using them in the face of limited information.
-Benjamin Johnston
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I see the failure in this argument at step 2. Cybersex is a kind of erotic
interaction. Erotic interactions are often called sex in general
conversation, even though there are many kinds of erotic interactions that
don't result in the transmission of STDs, that can't lead to children, that
don't
/Restating (not copying) my original posting, the challenge of
effective unstructured learning is to utilize every clue and NOT just
go with static clusters, etc. This includes temporal as well as
positional clues, information content, etc. PCA does some but
certainly not all of this, but
My own interpretation of the work is that an individual person
is no more powerful than a Turing machine (though, this point
isn't discussed in the paper), but that society as a whole is
capable of hypercomputation because we can keep drawing upon
more resources to solve a problem:
Hi Abram,
I believe the key point of the paper is:
...human minds develop through time over generations, they invent new
concepts and techniques, which in turn allow previously resistant problems
to be solved. There seems to be no upward bound whatsoever to this
ascension.
This is captured in
Richard Loosemore said:
But instead of deep-foundation topics like these, what do we get?
Mostly what we get is hacks. People just want to dive right and make
quick assumptions about the answers to all of these issues, then they
get hacking and build something - *anything* - to make it look
First, I think there is a world of difference between passionate
researchers at the beginning of the field, in 1956, and passionate
researchers in 2008 who have a half-century of other people's mistakes
to learn from. The secret of success is to try and fail, then to try
again with a fresh
I have stuck my neck out and written an Open Letter to AGI (Artificial
General Intelligence) Investors on my website at http://susaro.com.
All part of a campaign to get this field jumpstarted.
Next week I am going to put up a road map for my own development project.
Hi Richard,
If I were
Steve Richfield said (regarding his Dr Eliza system):
I cannot see ANY argument that it is NOT novel AI. Certainly no one
expressed any such doubts at the WORLDCOMP conferences where it was
presented and demonstrated.
Maybe, but WORLDCOMP doesn't appear to be a particularly serious
Hi Steve,
I've read the papers you've posted on this list, and looked at your
Access database...
Text-to-speech, speech-to-text and the simple textual preprocessing can
enhance usability, but they tend to make a system *appear* more
intelligent rather than adding real depth to a system. So
swear were highly original and creative (themed and
patterned in parts, but neither entirely random nor entirely
structured) if you had never seen an L-system before.
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and creative (themed and patterned in parts, but neither entirely random
nor entirely structured) if you had never seen an L-system before.
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Very briefly, my focus a while back in attacking programs was not on
the sign/ semiotic - and more particularly, symbolic - form of
programs, although that is v. important too.
My focus was on the *structure* of programs - that's what they are:
structured and usually sequenced sets of
Er, you don't ask that in AGI. The general culture here is not to
recognize the crux, or the test of AGI. You are the first person
here to express the basic requirement of any creative project. You
should only embark on a true creative project - in the sense of
committing to it - if you have
Hi Mike,
When the Flash code on your machine contacts the server, I assume it would
use a fairly straightforward communications format (XML over HTTP maybe?).
If you install a program to monitor the communications, you might be able to
figure out how to get at the data without using Flash. There
before I dive deeper into the machine vision literature and
attempt to write my own.
Im capturing video frames via the Java Media Framework, but could convert
the stream into images of any reasonable format.
Any pointers would be very much appreciated.
Thank you,
-Benjamin Johnston
Ah, well, appearances can be deceptive. There are many papers
in computer vision in which you can see fancy 3D reconstructions
produced from camera images. However, when you really get
into the nitty gritty of how these work you'll usually find that
they were either produced under highly
be
on-topic for this mailing list.
Why not try this list, and then move to the private discussion model (or
start an [agi-developer] list) if there's a backlash?
-Benjamin Johnston
Jiri Jelinek wrote:
I'm looking for a skilled coder from the AGI community who is well
familiar with Java/JEE
', 'context' and 'correctly': these
could be interpreted very widely depending on the ... uh... context.
-Benjamin Johnston
Jiri Jelinek wrote:
BillK,
thanks for the link.
All,
I don't want to trigger a long AGI definition talk, but can one or two
of you briefly tell me what might be wrong
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