Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-04 Thread Bob Mottram
On 04/02/2008, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't read any of Steels stuff lately, either. I'm not sure if any of the language he's generating is higher order, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss emergent language generation as a trick for just 5 minute demos. Well if you take

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-04 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 7:38 PM, Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if you take something like the talking heads experiment (http://www.isrl.uiuc.edu/~amag/langev/cited2/steelsthetalkingheadsexperiment.html) and ask what it would take to scale this up to human-like language abilities inevitably

[agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Mike Tintner
Jeez there's always something new. Anyone know about this (which seems at a glance loosely relevant to Ben's approach) ? http://www.emergent-languages.org/ Overview This site provides an introduction to the research on emergent and evolutionary languages as conducted at the Sony Computer

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Bob Mottram
I havn't read any of Luc Steels stuff for a long time, but he has been researching the evolution of language using robots or software agents since the early 1990s. This is really a symbol grounding problem where the communication in some way needs to represent things or situations which the agent

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Stephen Reed
, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 8:03:13 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org Thanks for the references... I found this paper Kaplan, F., Oudeyer, P-Y., Kubinyi, E

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
I doubt that 3D object recognition is integral to 'genuine intelligence'. Theoretically, if we had an AGI we should be able to put it in a simulated 2D world and it would still act intelligently. IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is integral to mathematics. If you

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is integral to mathematics. The counterargument is that no one has yet made an AI virtual chimp ... and nearly all of the human brain is the same as that of a chimp ... I think that language-centric approaches are viable, but I

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 11:27 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is integral to mathematics. The counterargument is that no one has yet made an AI virtual chimp ... and nearly all of the human brain is the same as that of a

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I'd be interested in what you see as the path from SLAM to AGI. To me, language generation seems obvious: 1. Make a language and algorithms for generating stuff in that language. 2. Implement pattern recognition and abstraction (imo not _that_ hard if you've designed your language well)

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 12:12 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The robotics path to AI is a lot like the evolutionary path to natural intelligence... Create a system that learns to achieve simple sensorimotor goals in its environment... then move on to social goals... and language eventually