Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-12 Thread Steve Richfield
Andrew, Vladamir, Mark, et al, This discussion is parallel to an ongoing discussion I had with several neuroscientists back in the 1970s-1980s. My assertion was that once you figure out just what it is that the neurons are doing, that the difference between neural operation and optimal operation

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-12 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Steve Richfield wrote: My assertion was that once you figure out just what it is that the neurons are doing, that the difference between neural operation and optimal operation will be negligible. This because of the 200 million years they have had to refine

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-11 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 3, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Mike Tintner wrote: Thanks. I must confess to my usual confusion/ignorance here - but perhaps I should really have talked of solid rather than 3-D mapping. When you sit in a familiar chair, you have, I presume, a solid mapping (or perhaps the word should be

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-11 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:09 AM, J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having that model and computing interactions with that model are two different things. Humans do not actually compute their relation to other objects with high precision, they approximate and iteratively make

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-11 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Vladimir Nesov wrote: And it extends to much more than 3D physical models -- humans are able to adjust dynamic representations on the fly, given additional information about any level of description, propagating consequences to other levels of description and

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-11 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is an open question as to whether or not mathematics will arrive at an elegant solution that out-performs the sub-optimal wetware algorithm. What is the basis for your using the term sub-optimal when the question is

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-11 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 11, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Mark Waser wrote: It is an open question as to whether or not mathematics will arrive at an elegant solution that out-performs the sub-optimal wetware algorithm. What is the basis for your using the term sub-optimal when the question is still open? If

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-03 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can tell what parts of the brain tend to be involved in what sorts of activities, from fMRI. Not much else. Puzzling out complex neural functions often involves combining fMRI data from humans with data from

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-03 Thread Mike Tintner
Thanks. I must confess to my usual confusion/ignorance here - but perhaps I should really have talked of solid rather than 3-D mapping. When you sit in a familiar chair, you have, I presume, a solid mapping (or perhaps the word should be moulding) - distributed over your body, of how it can

[agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-02 Thread Brad Paulsen
Hey kids: A COMPUTER THAT CAN 'READ' YOUR MIND http://www.physorg.com/news131623779.html Cheers, Brad --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your

Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Tintner
This is what we've just been discussing and Richard was criticising as highly fallible. Your article adds pictures of the predictions, which is helpful. But all this raises the question presumably of just how much can be told from fmri images generally. Does anyone have views about this - or