Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-11 Thread Lukasz Stafiniak
On 6/6/07, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'fraid not. Have to look after our investors' interests… (and, like Ben, I'm not keen for AGI technology to be generally available) But at least Novamente makes a convinceable amount of their ideas available IMHO. P.S. Probabilistic Logic

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-07 Thread James Ratcliff
Didnt know about LIDA, so a quick search brought up http://www.agiri.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=44 Which is a general list of many different AGI projects, of use to many of us here. This appears to be the main IDA pages, http://ccrg.cs.memphis.edu/projects.html but I dont see where they

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-07 Thread James Ratcliff
IDA, a Conscious Artifact? http://ccrg.cs.memphis.edu/assets/papers/IDA-ConsciousArtifact.pdf Seesm to be an intersting discussion of the Model and consciousness of the project. James Ratcliff Lukasz Stafiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/7/07, Benjamin Goertzel wrote: Sure, but the

[agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
There're several reasons why AGI teams are fragmented and AGI designers don't want to join a consortium: A. believe that one's own AGI design is superior B. want to ensure that the global outcome of AGI is friendly C. want to get bigger financial rewards (A) does not really prevent a founder

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
I think Novamente's current mode of operation is pretty much semi-open already (since so many have worked there) and is just a small step from using my consortium idea -- if Ben is willing to give up complete control of his AGI design YKY YKY -- As you are writing about my own

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread William Pearson
On 06/06/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There're several reasons why AGI teams are fragmented and AGI designers don't want to join a consortium: A. believe that one's own AGI design is superior B. want to ensure that the global outcome of AGI is friendly C. want to get

RE: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Zahn
YKY writes: There're several reasons why AGI teams are fragmented and AGI designers don't want to join a consortium: A. believe that one's own AGI design is superior B. want to ensure that the global outcome of AGI is friendly C. want to get bigger financial rewards D. There are

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Lukasz Stafiniak
On 6/6/07, Derek Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D. There are no consortiums to join. I see talk about joining Novamente, but are they hiring? It might be possible to volunteer to work on peripheral things like AGISIM, but I sort of doubt that Ben is eager to train volunteers on the AGI-type

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Tintner
Peter Voss: Our goal is to create full AGI... Do you have a proof-of-concept to use your term? Hawkins has a simple one for his HTM - he shows his system can recognize objects from simple line drawings. That simple will do to begin with.. Novamente, from what I've seen, doesn't have one -

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
Hi Ben and Peter Voss, I understand that transitioning to a Web 2.0-style will not be easy for well-established projects. But sometimes a company needs to cannibalize its own past... Due to the fewer number of employees, conventional companies can only explore a small subspace of the huge AGI

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 6/7/07, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also D. The other members of the consortiums philosophical approaches to AGI share little in common with your own and the time spent trying to communicate with the consortium about which class of system to investigate would be better

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Kingma, D.P.
On 6/6/07, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Our goal is to create full AGI, but our business plan is to commercialize an intermediate-level AGI engine via some highly lucrative applications. Our target date to commence commercialization is the end of next year. Peter Voss a2i2 The

RE: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Peter Voss
'fraid not. Have to look after our investors' interests. (and, like Ben, I'm not keen for AGI technology to be generally available) _ From: Kingma, D.P. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:28 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] about AGI designers

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Mike, putting together a demo of a machine learning system recognizing objects from simple line drawings would take me less than one month, using textbook technologies. Not worthwhile. Putting together a simple reinforcement learning system doing the same stuff as NM does in that fetch video

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben, I'd be looking for a totally different proof-of-concept for AGI. (I brought in Hawkins - not to rehash our arguments - because I consider him an example of good proof-of-concept practice). I'd be looking for proof of higher adaptivity (to use Peter's term). If Peter Voss' Maze Explorer

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Sure, but the nature of AGI is that wizzy demos are likely to come fairly late in the development process. All of us actively working in the field understand this -- Ben G On 6/6/07, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I'd be looking for a totally different proof-of-concept for

Re: [agi] about AGI designers

2007-06-06 Thread Lukasz Stafiniak
On 6/7/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but the nature of AGI is that wizzy demos are likely to come fairly late in the development process. All of us actively working in the field understand this What about LIDA? Even if she is not very general she is more cognitive