of,
and it will be a safe, consistant and secure intelligence...
We need it.
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To: (agi@v2.listbox.com)
From: Vladimir Nesov ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: Re: [agi] self organization
Date: 9/16/2008 2:55:22a
Well, I didn't write in this thread about Friendliness
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
I think a similar case could be made for a lot of large open source
projects such as Linux itself. However, in this case and others, the
software itself is the result of a high-level super goal defined by
one or more humans. Even if no
OK, how's that different from the collaboration inherent in any human project?
Can you just explain your viewpoint?
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Bryan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
Not really familiar with apt-get. How is it a
complex system?
2008/9/16 Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Will,
Such an interesting example in light of a recent paper, which deals with
measuring the difference between activation of the visual cortex and blood
flow to the area, depending on whether the stimulus was subjectively
invisible. If the
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
OK, how's that different from the collaboration inherent in any human
project? Can you just explain your viewpoint?
When you have something like 20,000+ contributors writing software that
can very, very easily break, I think it's an
that model.
Terren
--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Bryan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bryan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [agi] self organization
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:23 PM
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
OK, how's that different
Well, I didn't write in this thread about Friendliness (apart from the
last two sentences of the last message, which is a hypothetical so
impossible I had no right to draw it, really). It is bad terminology
to call evolution intelligence, it is a completely different
optimization process even if
2008/9/15 Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I guess that intuitively, argument goes like this:
1) economy is more powerful than individual agents, it allows to
increase the power of intelligence in individual agents;
2) therefore, economy has an intelligence-increasing potency;
3) so, we can
On Monday 15 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
I send this along because it's a great example of how systems that
self-organize can result in structures and dynamics that are more
complex and efficient than anything we can purposefully design. The
applicability to the realm of designed
On Monday 15 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
By your argumentation, it would seem you won't find any argument
about intelligence of worth unless it explains everything. I've never
understood the strong resistance of many in the AI community to the
concepts involved with complexity theory,
Hi Will,
Such an interesting example in light of a recent paper, which deals with
measuring the difference between activation of the visual cortex and blood flow
to the area, depending on whether the stimulus was subjectively invisible. If
the result can be trusted, it shows that blood flow
Hey Bryan,
Not really familiar with apt-get. How is it a complex system? It looks like
it's just a software installation tool.
Terren
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Bryan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you considered looking into the social dynamics
allowed by apt-get
before? It's a
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
Not really familiar with apt-get. How is it a complex system? It
looks like it's just a software installation tool.
How many people are writing the software?
- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
Engineers:
Hi all,
Came across this article called Pencils and Politics. Though a bit of a
tangent, it's the clearest explanation of self-organization in economics I've
encountered.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158752
I send this along because it's a great example of how systems that
self-organize can
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Came across this article called Pencils and Politics. Though a bit of a
tangent, it's the clearest explanation of self-organization in economics I've
encountered.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158752
I send this
Terren: I send this along because it's a great example of how systems that
self-organize can result in structures and dynamics that are more complex
and efficient than anything we can purposefully design. The applicability
to
the realm of designed intelligence is obvious.
Vlad: . Even if
I guess that intuitively, argument goes like this:
1) economy is more powerful than individual agents, it allows to
increase the power of intelligence in individual agents;
2) therefore, economy has an intelligence-increasing potency;
3) so, we can take stupid agents, apply the economy potion to
to intelligence. It would seem to me
to be a promising frontier for exploration and gathering insight.
Terren
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [agi] self organization
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Date: Monday, September 15
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:50 AM, Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Once again, I'm not saying that modeling an economy is all that's necessary
to explain intelligence. I'm not even saying it's a necessary condition of
it. What
I am saying is that it looks very likely that the brain/mind
Vlad,
At this point, we ought to acknowledge that we just have different approaches.
You're trying to hit a very small target accurately and precisely. I'm not.
It's not important to me the precise details of how a self-organizing system
would actually self-organize, what form that would take
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