Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-04-14 Thread Charles D Hixson
Jim Bromer wrote: Ben G wrote: ... ... Concerning beliefs and scientific rationalism: Beliefs are the basis of all thought. To imply that religious belief might be automatically different from rational beliefs is naïve. However, I think there is an advantage in defining what a rational thought

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Jim Bromer
I am going to try to summarize what I have said. With God's help, I may have discovered a path toward a method to achieve a polynomial time solution to Logical Satisfiability, and so from this vantage point I have started to ask the question of whether or not a feasible SAT solver would actually

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Stephen Reed
] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:46:30 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it. I am going to try to summarize what I have said. With God's help, I may have discovered a path toward a method to achieve a polynomial time solution to Logical Satisfiability

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Ben Goertzel
PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:46:30 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it. I am going to try to summarize what I have said. With God's help, I may have discovered a path toward a method to achieve a polynomial time solution

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Richard Loosemore
Jim Bromer wrote: I am going to try to summarize what I have said. With God's help, I may have discovered a path toward a method to achieve a polynomial time solution to Logical Satisfiability, and so from this vantage point I have started to ask the question of whether or not a feasible SAT

RE: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Derek Zahn
Jim Bromer writes: With God's help, I may have discovered a path toward a method to achieve a polynomial time solution to Logical Satisfiability If you want somebody to talk about the solution, you're more likely to get helpful feedback elsewhere as it is not a topic that most of us on this

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Jim Bromer
512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:46:30 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it. I am going to try to summarize what I have said. With God's help, I may have discovered a path

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Jim Bromer
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk about the Lord and SAT solvers has me thinking up variations to the Janis Joplin song http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/janisjoplin/mercedesbenz.html Oh Lord, won't you buy me a polynomial-time SAT solution

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Ben Goertzel
Thank you for your politeness and your insightful comments. I am going to quit this group because I have found that it is a pretty bad sign when the moderator mocks an individual for his religious beliefs. FWIW, I wasn't joking about your algorithm's putative divine inspiration in my role

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Mark Waser
Really though: if you're going to post messages in forums populated by scientific rationalists, claiming divine inspiration for your ideas, you really gotta expect **at minimum** some good-natured ribbing... ! And (speaking from crispy experience :-) if you try to create a new religion

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-30 Thread Mark Waser
work. It's just that you're performing the equivalent of presenting a biology paper at a physics convention.:-) - Original Message - From: Jim Bromer To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
Message - From: Jim Bromer To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it. On the contrary, Vladimir is completely correct in requesting that the discussion go elsewhere: this has no relevance to the AGI

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-30 Thread Mark Waser
4) If you think some supernatural being placed an insight in your mind, you're probably better off NOT mentioning this when discussing the insight in a scientific forum, as it will just cause your idea to be taken way less seriously by a vast majority of scientific-minded people... Awesome

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4) If you think some supernatural being placed an insight in your mind, you're probably better off NOT mentioning this when discussing the insight in a scientific forum, as it will just cause your idea to be taken way

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-30 Thread Richard Loosemore
Jim Bromer wrote: On the contrary, Vladimir is completely correct in requesting that the discussion go elsewhere: this has no relevance to the AGI list, and there are other places where it would be pertinent. Richard Loosemore If Ben doesn't want me to continue, I will

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-29 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Jim, Could you keep P=NP discussion off this list? There are plenty of powerful SAT solvers already, so if there is a path towards AGI that needs a SAT solver, they can be used in at least small-scale prototypes, and thus the absence of scalable SAT solver is not a bottleneck at the moment. P=NP

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-29 Thread David Salamon
Hey Jim, Glad to hear you're making some headway on such an important and challenging problem! Don't read to much in to Vladimir's response... he's probably just having a hard day or something :p If it's fair game to talk about all the other narrow-AI topics on this list, talking about SAT is