Re: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-02 Thread Richard Loosemore
John G. Rose wrote: [snip] Building a complex based intelligence much different from the human brain design but still basically dependant on complexity is not impossible just formidable. Working with software systems that have designed complexity and getting predicted emergence and in this case

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-02 Thread John G. Rose
From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, but now you are stating the Standard Reply, and what you have to understand is that the Standard Reply boils down to this: We are so smart that we will figure a way around this limitation, without having to do any so crass as just

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread Derek Zahn
Thanks again Richard for continuing to make your view on this topic clear to those who are curious. As somebody who has tried in good faith and with limited but nonzero success to understand your argument, I have some comments. They are just observations offered with no sarcasm or insult

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread Derek Zahn
Oh, one last point: I find your thoughts in this message quite interesting personally because I think that puzzling out exactly what concept builders need to do, and how they might be built to do it, is the most interesting thing in the whole world. I am resistant to the idea that it is

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread Derek Zahn
Sorry for three messages in short succession. Regarding concept builders, I have been writing in my bumbling way about this (and will continue to muse on fundamental issues) in my little blog: http://agiblog.net --- agi Archives:

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread John G. Rose
Well I can spend a lot of time replying this since it is a tough subject. The CB system is a good example my thinking doesn't involve CB's yet so the organized mayhem would be of a different form and I was thinking of the complexity being integrated differently. What you are saying makes sense in

Re: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread Richard Loosemore
Derek Zahn wrote: Thanks again Richard for continuing to make your view on this topic clear to those who are curious. As somebody who has tried in good faith and with limited but nonzero success to understand your argument, I have some comments. They are just observations offered with no

RE: [agi] Simple example of the complex systems problem, for those in a hurry

2008-07-01 Thread Terren Suydam
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT there are some circuits I believe, can't think of any offhand, where the opposite is true. It just kind of works based on based on complex subsystems interoperational functionality and it was discovered, not designed