[agi] Uses of Mind.html tutorial Artificial General Intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread A. T. Murray
For teaching computer programming. For teaching JavaScript to students. For learning JavaScript For teaching artificial intelligence at a school for the gifted. For teaching artificial intelligence on the high-school level. For teaching artificial intelligence at a community college. For teaching

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Richfield
Joseph, On 5/20/08, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns, apparently advanced along with the same lines of thought that was behind that IQ test so

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
From: Joseph Gentle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two interesting points here. The first is that (in my opinion) pattern matching must come first. I agree that understanding the patterns (the /why/) is important; but seeing (even unjustified) patterns is crucial. The benchmark I

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Tintner
John G: human musical pattern extrapolation fidelity is a sort of an averaging of the human minds full capability of an astonishingly robust pattern recognizing ability...I feel that our modern audial pattern recognition ability has been extremely dumbed down The arts as seen by a

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Derek Zahn
John Rose writes: So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would be needed in software AGI. Are we satisfied building AGIs that cannot cope with the actual world because it is too rich?

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Derek Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Rose writes: So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would be needed in software AGI. Are we satisfied building

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
Which actual world, a natural or manmade? And if there is plenty of expensive electronic memory for all the nodes in that rather large graph. It's a feat of efficiency management to trim it down as much as you can in order for it to have a chance of developing a subset of that rich understanding.

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Derek Zahn
Vladimir Nesov: I think sterile texture of artificial environments hides the richness of their structure from our intuition, since we already have it imprinted by experience with the real world. Anything less than capable of dealing with the real world won't understand cleaned up environments

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread John G. Rose
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The whole point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on existing patterns. That's why

RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The whole point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on existing patterns. That's why

Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Tintner
John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs, changes harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds, fearing the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to new pastures. But with humans, pattern-breaking and the seeking of