Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Matt: Humor detection obviously requires a sophisticated language model and knowledge of popular culture, current events, and what jokes have been told before. Since entertainment is a big sector of the economy, an AGI needs all human knowledge, not just knowledge that is work related. In

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mark Waser
Obviously you have no plans for endowing your computer with a self and a body, that has emotions and can shake with laughter. Or tears. Actually, many of us do. And this is why your posts are so problematical. You invent what *we* believe and what we intend to do. And then you criticize

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Obviously you have no plans for endowing your computer with a self and a body, that has emotions and can shake with laughter. Or tears. Actually, many of us do. And this is why your posts are so problematical. You invent what *we* believe and what we intend to do. And then you criticize

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mark Waser
That's certainly news to me. Because you haven't been paying attention (or don't have the necessary background or desire to recognize it). Look at the attention that's been paid to the qualia and consciousness arguments (http://consc.net/online). Any computer with sensors and effectors is

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mark Waser
Your response makes my point precisely . . . . Until you truly understand *why* IBM's top engineers believes that autonomic is the correct term (and it's very clear to someone with enough background and knowledge that it is), you shouldn't be attempting this discussion. Yes, *in CURRENT

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
There is no computer or robot that keeps getting physically excited or depressed by its computations. (But it would be a good idea). you don't even realize that laptops (and many other computers -- not to mention appliances) currently do precisely what you claim that no computer or robot

[agi] Re Artificial Humor

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Emotional laptops? On 2nd thoughts it's like Thomas the Tank Engine... If s.o. hasn't done it already, there is big money here. Even bigger than you earn, if that's humanly possible. Lenny the Laptop...? A really personal computer. Whatddya think? Ideas? [Shh, darling, Lenny's thinking...]

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4.To have a sense of humour, as I more or less indicated, you have to be able to identify with the funny guy making the error - and that is an *embodied* identification. The humour that gets the biggest, most physical laughs and

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Eric Burton
Couldn't one use fine-grained collision detection in something like OpenSim to feed tactile information into a neural net via a simulated nervous system? The extent to which a simulated organism 'actually feels' is certainly a point on a scale or a spectrum, just as it would appear to be with

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Eric Burton
I've seen humour modelled as a form of mental dissonance, when an expectation is defied, especially a grave one. It may arise, then, as a higher-order recognition of bizarreness in the overall state of the mind at that point. Humour seems to me to be somehow fundamental to intelligence, rather

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Eric Burton
Here is an example I recall. A vine crosses your path and you think there is a snake on your foot. Then you realize the nature of the vine but the systemic effects of snake fear do not immediately subside. The result is calming laughter. Perhaps, then, it's an evolved compensation mechanism for

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Jiri Jelinek
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a body, you couldn't understand the joke. False. Would you also say that without a body, you couldn't understand 3D space ? BTW it's kind of sad that people find it funny when others get hurt. I wonder what are the

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
I think artificial humor has gotten little attention because humor (along with art and emotion) is mostly a right-brain activity, while science, math, and language are mostly left-brained. It should be no surprise that since most AI researches are left-brained, their interest is in studying

[agi] Perception Understanding of Space

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
[n.b. my posts are arriving in a weird order] Jiri: MTWithout a body, you couldn't understand the joke. False. Would you also say that without a body, you couldn't understand 3D space ? Jiri, You have to offer a reason why something is False :). You're saying it's that 3D space *can* be

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread John LaMuth
Matt As I have previously written, this issue boils down as one is serious or one is not to be taken this way a meta-order perspective)... the key feature in humor and comedy -- the meta-message being don't take me seriously That is why I segregated analogical humor seperately (from routine

Re: [agi] Perception Understanding of Space

2008-09-10 Thread Jiri Jelinek
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're saying it's that 3D space *can* be understood without a body? Er, false. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHRDLU Jiri --- agi Archives:

Re: [agi] Ability to improve ones own efficiency as a measure of intelligence

2008-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rene de Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I propose the following Define _a = (output - resource_usage) / resource_usage ; a measure of effeciency _b = d_a / dt; i.e. the derivative of _a with respect

Re: [agi] Perception Understanding of Space

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Tintner
: You're saying it's that 3D space *can* be understood without a body? Er, false. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHRDLU And SHRDLU can generally recognize whether any obect is in any another object - whether a doll is in a box or lying between two walls, whether a box is in another box,

Re: [agi] Artificial humor

2008-09-10 Thread Russell Wallace
The most plausible explanation I've heard is that humor evolved as a social weapon for use by a group of low status individuals against a high status individual. This explains why laughter is involuntarily contagious, why it mostly occurs in conversation, why children like watching Tom and Jerry