[agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Richfield
Larry Lefkowitz, Stephen Reed, et al, First, Thanks Steve for your pointer to Larry Lefkowitz, and thanks Larry for so much time and effort in trying to relate our two approaches.. After discussions with Larry Lefkowitz of Cycorp, I have had a bit of an epiphany regarding machine knowledge that

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Mahoney
Steve, the difference between Cyc and Dr. Eliza is that Cyc has much more knowledge. Cyc has millions of rules. The OpenCyc download is hundreds of MB compressed. Several months ago you posted the database file for Dr. Eliza. I recall it was a few hundred rules and I think under 1 MB. Both of

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, It appears that either you completely missed the point in my earlier post, that Knowledge + Inverse Knowledge ~= Understanding (hopefully) There are few things in the world that are known SO well that from direct knowledge thereof that you can directly infer all potential modes of

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Mahoney
No, I don't believe that Dr. Eliza knows nothing about normal health, or that Cyc knows nothing about illness. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:21:18 PM

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Colin Hales
And 'deep blue' knows nothing about chess. These machines are manipulating abstract symbols at the speed of light. The appearance of 'knowledge' of the natural world in the sense that humans know things, must be absent and merely projected by us as observers, because we are really

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Russell Wallace
As an application domain for Dr. Eliza, medicine has the obvious advantage of usefulness, but the disadvantage that it's hard to assess performance -- specific data is largely unavailable for privacy reasons, and most of us lack the expertise to properly assess it even if it were available. Is

[agi] First AGI Summer School, in Xiamen, China

2008-12-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi all, This will be announced more widely a bit later, but for y'all I'll make a preliminary announcement... We're going to run a 3 week long AGI Summer School in Xiamen, China in summer 2009 Details are at http://goertzel.org/AGI_Summer_School_2009.htm (Unfortunately it does cost money to

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Richfield
Russell, On 12/9/08, Russell Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an application domain for Dr. Eliza, medicine has the obvious advantage of usefulness, but the disadvantage that it's hard to assess performance -- specific data is largely unavailable for privacy reasons, and most of us lack

Re: [agi] Machine Knowledge and Inverse Machine Knowledge...

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On 12/9/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't believe that Dr. Eliza knows nothing about normal health, or that Cyc knows nothing about illness. Of course you are right. In Dr. Eliza's case, it is quick to ask questions to establish subsystem normalcy to eliminate