[agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread John Scanlon
Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being done in AI is still following the same track that has failed for fifty years now? The focus on logic as thought, or neural nets as the bottom-up, brain-imitating solution just isn't getting anywhere? It's the same thing,

Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]

2007-02-19 Thread Ricardo Barreira
On 2/18/07, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might check out D ( http://www.digitalmars.com/d/index.html ). Mind you, it's still in the quite early days, and missing a lot of libraries ... which means you need to construct interfaces to the C versions. Still, it answers several of

[agi] Larry Page, Google: We have some people at Google (who) are really trying to build artificial intelligence...

2007-02-19 Thread Kingma, D.P.
Larry Page, Google co-founder: We have some people at Google (who) are really trying to build artificial intelligence and to do it on a large scale, Page said to a packed Hilton ballroom of scientists. It's not as far off as people think. link: http://news.com.com/2100-11395_3-6160372.html

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Bo Morgan
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, John Scanlon wrote: ) Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being ) done in AI is still following the same track that has failed for fifty ) years now? The focus on logic as thought, or neural nets as the ) bottom-up, brain-imitating solution

[agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Loosemore
Wow, I leave off email for two days and a 55-message Religious War breaks out! ;-) I promise this is nothing to do with languages I do or do not like (i.e. it is non-religious...). As many people pointed out, programming language matters a good deal less that what you are going to use

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Loosemore
John Scanlon wrote: Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being done in AI is still following the same track that has failed for fifty years now? The focus on logic as thought, or neural nets as the bottom-up, brain-imitating solution just isn't getting anywhere?

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Cenny Wenner
On 2/19/07, Bo Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, John Scanlon wrote: ) Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being ) done in AI is still following the same track that has failed for fifty ) years now? The focus on logic as thought, or neural nets

Re: [agi] Re: Languages for AGI

2007-02-19 Thread J. Storrs Hall, PhD.
On Sunday 18 February 2007 19:22, Ricardo Barreira wrote: You can spend all the time you want sharpening your axes, it'll do you no good if you don't know what you'll use it for... True enough. However, as I've also mentioned in this venue before, I want to be able to do general associative

Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]

2007-02-19 Thread Lukasz Kaiser
Hi, I was offline and missed the large discussion so let me just add my 2c: Cobra is currently at a late alpha stage. There are some docs (including a comparison to Python) and examples. (And pardon my plain looking web site, but I have no graphics skills.) Here it is: http://cobralang.com/

Re: [agi] Re: Languages for AGI

2007-02-19 Thread Ben Goertzel
J. Storrs Hall, PhD. wrote: On Sunday 18 February 2007 19:22, Ricardo Barreira wrote: You can spend all the time you want sharpening your axes, it'll do you no good if you don't know what you'll use it for... True enough. However, as I've also mentioned in this venue before, I want

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Ben Goertzel
It's pretty clear that humans don't run FOPC as a native code, but that we can learn it as a trick. I disagree. I think that Hebbian learning between cortical columns is essentially equivalent to basic probabilistic term logic. Lower-level common-sense inferencing of the

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread J. Storrs Hall, PhD.
On Monday 19 February 2007 16:08, Ben Goertzel wrote: It's pretty clear that humans don't run FOPC as a native code, but that we can learn it as a trick. I disagree. I think that Hebbian learning between cortical columns is essentially equivalent to basic probabilistic term logic.

Re: Mystical Emergence/Complexity [WAS Re: [agi] The Missing Piece]

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Loosemore
Bo Morgan wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Richard Loosemore wrote: ) Bo Morgan wrote: ) ) On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, John Scanlon wrote: ) ) ) Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being ) ) done in AI is still following the same track that has failed for ) ) fifty years

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: It's pretty clear that humans don't run FOPC as a native code, but that we can learn it as a trick. I disagree. I think that Hebbian learning between cortical columns is essentially equivalent to basic probabilistic term logic. Lower-level common-sense inferencing

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-19 Thread Anna Taylor
Richard Loosemore wrote: There is a restriction in my case that enables me to get away without having to solve the general problem. I am curious to know what that restriction is? Offlist would be welcomed. Thanks Anna:) On 2/19/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I leave

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-19 Thread Anna Taylor
Sorry, I was slow to read. Working on a thought is what makes it maybe one day a realtiy. Nice post. Thanks. Anna:) On 2/19/07, John Scanlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote: John Scanlon wrote: Is there anyone out there who has a sense that most of the work being done in

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-19 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
On 2/19/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I leave off email for two days and a 55-message Religious War breaks out! ;-) I promise this is nothing to do with languages I do or do not like (i.e. it is non-religious...). As many people pointed out, programming language matters