Re : [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2
sorry,i think all the cognition are base on a private language of models base on topolical geometrical dynamic in our web mental therefore the mecanism of vision serve at visionmental-vision bruno De : Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk À : agi agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lun 9 août 2010, 18h 48min 49s Objet : Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 Ben:I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... Which is? From: Ben Goertzel Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:57 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Ben:I don't agree that solving vision and the vision-cognition bridge is *such* a huge part of AGI, though it's certainly a nontrivial percentage Presumably because you don't envisage your AGI/computer as an independent entity? All its info. is going to have to be entered into it in a specially prepared form - and it's still going to be massively and continuously dependent on human programmers? I envisage my AGI as an independent entity, ingesting information from the world in a similar manner to how humans do (as well as through additional senses not available to humans) You misunderstood my statement. I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... Humans and real AGI's receive virtually all their info. - certainly all their internet info - through heavily visual processing (with obvious exceptions like sound). You can't do maths and logic if you can't see them, and they have visual forms - equations and logic have visual form and use visual ideogrammatic as well as visual numerical signs. Just wh. intelligent problemsolving operations is your AGI going to do, that do NOT involve visual processing OR - the alternative - massive human assistance to substitute for that processing? agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC CTO, Genescient Corp Vice Chairman, Humanity+ Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China b...@goertzel.org I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too. -- Fyodor Dostoevsky agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re : [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL?
hello ben
if i can have a pdf draf,i think you very much
bruno
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Objet : Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL?
Propositions are not the only things that can have truth values...
I don't have time to carry out a detailed mathematical discussion of
this right now...
We're about to (this week) finalize the PLN book draft ... I'll send
you a pre-publication PDF early next week and then you can read it and
we can argue this stuff after that ;-)
ben
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:01 AM, YKY (Yan King Yin)
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Ben,
If we don't work out the correspondence (even approximately) between
FOL and term logic, this conversation would not be very fruitful. I
don't even know what you're doing with PLN. I suggest we try to work
it out here step by step. If your approach really makes sense to me,
you will gain another helper =) Also, this will be good for your
project's documentation.
I have some examples:
Eng: Some philosophers are wise
TL: +Philosopher+Wise
FOL: philosopher(X) - wise(X)
Eng: Romeo loves Juliet
TL: +-Romeo* + (Loves +-Juliet*)
FOL: loves(romeo, juliet)
Eng: Women often have long hair
TL: ?
FOL: woman(X) - long_hair(X)
I know your term logic is slightly different from Fred Sommers'. Can
you fill in the TL parts and also attach indefinite probabilities?
On 6/3/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you attach indefinite probabilities to FOL propositions, and create
indefinite probability formulas corresponding to standard FOL rules,
you will have a subset of PLN
But you'll have a hard time applying Bayes rule to FOL propositions
without being willing to assign probabilities to terms ... and you'll
have a hard time applying it to FOL variable expressions without doing
something that equates to assigning probabilities to propositions w.
unbound variables ... and like I said, I haven't seen any other
adequate way of propagating pdf's through quantifiers than the one we
use in PLN, though Halpern's book describes a lot of inadequate ways
;-)
Re assigning probabilties to terms...
Term in term logic is completely different from term in FOL. I
guess terms in term logic roughly correspond to predicates or
propositions in FOL. Terms in FOL seem to have no counterpart in term
logic..
Anyway there should be no confusion here. Propositions are the ONLY
things that can have truth values. This applies to term logic as well
(I just refreshed my memory of TL). When truth values go from { 0, 1
} to [ 0, 1 ], we get single-value probabilistic logic. All this has
a very solid and rigorous foundation, based on so-called model theory.
YKY
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Re : [agi] AGI-08 videos
bonjour richard i read your mails.i don't understand your position and your agi theory.can you explain me completely,slowly and argumentaly your theory and your practice?and what are the difference about agi-08 and you ?thanks you - Message d'ori--- De : Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Dimanche, 4 Mai 2008, 21h52mn 34s Objet : Re: [agi] AGI-08 videos Derek Zahn wrote: I noticed yesterday that most of the videos of talks and panels from AGI-08 have been uploaded (http://www.agi-08.org/schedule.php). Big thanks to the organizers for that! I have some difficulty getting into some of the papers but the 10-ish minute overview talks are by and large quite good, and the panel discussions are particularly interesting. I feel much better now about not going to the conference! Hopefully the rest of the talks will be posted, I can't wait to watch them. Some personal reactions to particular things: * Finally, I think the field has moved beyond the need for so many papers on six secrets of AI, five reasons AI has failed, and so on. Even the obligatory What is AI? talk was largely redundant (although Dr. Wang's point -- that we will all have different definitions and we should take that into account when studying the work of others -- needs saying). This is good news. Perhaps next year's conference won't need so many overview talks. * Somehow I had this vague notion that SOAR had basically dried up and blown away in the 1990s, but John Laird's description of current work in SOAR was terrific and quite exciting. I'll be following their progress closely. * There are now quite a number of architectures with AGI-type ambitions that have significant implementation behind them (Novamente, SOAR, LIDA, NARS, OSCAR, BICA, Texai, and others). The most interesting parts of the panels for me was when the people involved in building those architectures discussed what they have in common and differences in approach for similar problems. As Ben Goertzel (and Sam Adams and others) point out, these architectures share quite a lot at the level of their boxes and arrows overview slides, which provides some context for interesting detailed discussion. If such discussion occurred on this list that would be really cool; but perhaps a workshop at AGI-09 where the architects of these actually-existing systems discussed their similarities and differences and current limitations would be worthwhile. I'd sure pay to see it! * It was quite interesting to see that simulation/visualization as an important operating principle / reasoning mechanism is becoming so popular. Ideally, I suppose, such modal mechanisms would do double duty in perception and simulation... accomplishing that and interfacing it cleanly with other modalities or general-purpose knowledge representation is really fascinating and I have a feeling we'll be seeing more along those lines. I wonder if Novamente will go sort of solipsistic and absorb AGISim into itself as a modal reasoning module. * Along those lines, there seems to be a growing (certainly not universal) consensus among complete-system builders that virtual embodiment is a best approach for providing broad knowledge support (grounding) without messing around with robots. Somebody could write an excellent paper about the potential pitfalls of such an approach (detail, fidelity, deep causality issues behind appearance, function, and inter-object + inter-feature relationships, and so on). If nobody else is working in detail on publishing such an analysis perhaps I will study those issues for some months and try to write something for AGI-09 about it. * Stephen Reed is one of the most clear and deliberate speakers I've seen in this field. It's really interesting how seeing a person talk about their research makes it seem more real and interesting than just reading about it. * I wish Josh's Variac paper wasn't just a poster... but I suppose something has to get left out. Hopefully next year there will be more concrete implementation/experimentation progress to report in a talk. * Limiting people to 10-12 minutes makes it basically impossible to present the contents of a paper, so the talks turn into project overviews. Actually I found that to be a GOOD thing, and hope it continues that way (as long as we don't get the same overview talks year after year...) * Some presenters were very effective and some were not. I encourage everybody to rehearse their talks to make sure that the amount of material presented is appropriate to the time frame, and to make sure it is presented smoothly. Thanks to the organizers and all the participants. Fantastic stuff. Prompted by your enthusiastic write-up, I just wasted one and a half hours scanning through all of the AGI-08 papers that I downloaded previously.
Re : [agi] help me,please for books for agi and mind in pdf
thank you derek i was reading all this bye - Message d'origine De : Derek Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Vendredi, 2 Mai 2008, 15h18mn 09s Objet : RE: [agi] help me,please for books for agi and mind in pdf Bruno Frandemiche asked for online AGI-related text. If you're adventurous, I'd recommend the Workshop proceedings from 2006: http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Workshop_Proceedings and the conference proceedings from AGI-08: http://www.agi-08.org/papers agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription __ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re : [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook
http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/arch.htm Architectures for Intelligent Systems good day - Message d'origine De : William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 31 Mars 2008, 23h35mn 42s Objet : Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook On 26/03/2008, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics I've decided to go my own way and have started a new annotated text book, trying to link in all the topics I think relevant to my current state of work. http://www.agiri.org/wiki/AACA_Textbook I'll try putting in content in for each of those links. But coding for the architecture is probably more pointful at this point. Once I have it up and running on QEmu, I'll try and devote more time to education. Will Pearson --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com _ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Plus de moyens pour rester en contact. http://mail.yahoo.fr --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=98558129-0bdb63 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re : [agi] CEMI Field
conciousness is meta-reflexion on reflexion as meta-cognition for cognition if you know where is the reflexion,you know where is conciousness oops...too simple bruno - Message d'origine De : Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Vendredi, 25 Janvier 2008, 16h38mn 36s Objet : Re: [agi] CEMI Field Günther Greindl wrote: Hi Richard, It says, in effect Hey, the explanation of consciousness is that it is caused by X where X is something that explains absolutely nothing about whatever consciousness is supposed to be. Moreover, the person espousing the theory, you can bet, will not be able to state exactly what they think consciousness actually is... they will just be able to tell you that, whatever it is, their candidate explains it. I know why you are being sceptical - my initial reactions to theories of consciousness are usually the same, because people who propose them usually have ulterior motives (special status of humans, dualism, religion whatever..) I don't think that this scientist has these motives, as he is strictly on the physicalist side. BTW, he also writes a bit about free will, I disagree with him on this notion as I can not see where free will could enter a physicalist picture of reality. (But that is anther controversy ;-) The thing is this: consciousness (the basic phenomenon of awareness) needs explaining, and I believe science can explain it in physicalist way. I take a very similar position, in some ways. I have actually gone so far as to build a theory that I believe *does* address the questions of what we mean by consciousness, as well as the further question o what it actually is. (I gave this as a poster presentation at the last Tucson conference). My conclusion is a strange one that does admit that there is a thing called consciousness - there is definitely something that needs to be explained - but at the same time I believe it has a kind of unique status, so the physicalist/dualist controversy becomes finessed. My only problem with people like the one you cite is that they often declare that consciousness is X without being clear about what they really think consciousness is. I agree that some of them have ulterior motives, but I would be willing to forgive them that, if only they would start by being clear about what the C-word actually means :-). I am (of course!) pushing my own theory a bit here, because I believe that what happens when you try to really pin down the concept of C is that, in fact, the next question gets answered almost automatically. I could just as easily say that consciousness is explained by ... hair follicles. This Hair Follicle Theory of Consciousness would have the same qualifications to be considered the correct theory. Well no - because, esp. via brain lesions etc, we can fairly definitly locate consciousness _in_ the brain (or the whole brain) - but not _outside_ the brain. So we just have to look _where_ in the brain this happens. We can now endorse modular theories or comprehensive ones, but for this is not very satisfactory: consciousness is being felt as a unity, and I can't quite see how individual neurons firing can lead to a unified feeling: this also goes for synchronous firing, because neuron A does not know that B fires syncronously, so how could it make a difference at the neural level (I hope you know what I mean, I can elaborate). Oh yes, I know exactly what you mean: well put. But the EM field is a unity - the field is caused by the summary of _all_ neurons in the brain, and it is also _caused_ by the electric potentials in all neurons. Also, the EM field is perfectly physicalist and does not invoke QM mysteries (a la Hameroff/Penrose which I find bogus and has been quantitatively refuted by Max Tegmark) There are some problems with simply saying that C is lcoated in the brain: mostly these problems have to do with slippage of the meaning of C from the hard-problem version (the problem of explaining pure subjectivity) to the being awake version. That was certaily the biggest problem at the talks I saw at the Tucson conference: many of the neuroscentists would start their talks with high-minded references to real consciousness (perhaps even say hard problem at some point), but then it would gradually become clear that the actual content of their talk was drifting into a discussion of where in the brain you find correlates of the subject's sense of awareness. In other words, they wanted to know which bits of the brain needed to be firing if the subject was to have explicit knowledge of events ... which is the same as awakeness. All the arguments for localization within the brain seem to fall back into this mode. We could pick one of them at random, I am sure, and analyze it carefully, and find that it either says (a) that hard-problem consciousness is inside the brain
Re : Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
http://www.pilesys.com/new/viewpage.php?page_id=2 - Message d'origine De : Bruno Frandemiche [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Mercredi, 26 Décembre 2007, 19h20mn 41s Objet : Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries http://www.artificial-brain-project.com/ - Message d'origine De : Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 17 Décembre 2007, 20h03mn 01s Objet : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries I've published a roughly categorized link list of Java AI tools and libraries, that may be helpful to Java developers here: http://texai.org/blog/software-links Are there useful Java components that are missing? Thanks! -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=86041015-ec9b2f
Re : [agi] OpenCog
http://gbbopen.org/ - Message d'origine De : Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Vendredi, 28 Décembre 2007, 15h14mn 10s Objet : Re: [agi] OpenCog On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I wish you much luck with your own approach And, I would imagine that if you create a software framework supporting your own approach in a convenient way, my own currently favored AI approaches will not be conveniently explorable within it. That's the nature of framework-building. Actually, that would be a serious miusunderstanding of the framework and development environment that I am building. Your system would be just as easy to build as any other. My purpose is to create a description language that allows us to talk about different types of AGI system, and then construct design variations autonmatically. I don't believe it is possible to create a framework that both a) is unbiased regarding design type b) makes it easy to construct AGI designs Just as different programming languages are biased toward different types of apps, so with different AGI frameworks... -- Ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=79906306-182ce3
Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
http://www.artificial-brain-project.com/ - Message d'origine De : Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 17 Décembre 2007, 20h03mn 01s Objet : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries I've published a roughly categorized link list of Java AI tools and libraries, that may be helpful to Java developers here: http://texai.org/blog/software-links Are there useful Java components that are missing? Thanks! -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=79335007-8b1fc2
Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/related.html - Message d'origine De : Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 17 Décembre 2007, 20h03mn 01s Objet : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries I've published a roughly categorized link list of Java AI tools and libraries, that may be helpful to Java developers here: http://texai.org/blog/software-links Are there useful Java components that are missing? Thanks! -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=79122696-7eacdc
Re : Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
http://www.mindmakers.org/projects/Psyclone http://mindmakers.org/mindmakers/openair/airPage.jsp http://mindmakers.org/mindmakers/openair/download/downloadPage.jsp - Message d'origine De : Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Jeudi, 20 Décembre 2007, 22h08mn 48s Objet : Re: Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries Bruno Frandemiche wrote: Psyclone AIOS http://www.cmlabs.com/psyclone/™ is a powerful platform for building complex automation and autonomous systems I couldn't seem to find what license that was released under. (The library was LGPL, which is very nice.) But without knowing the license, I didn't look any further. If you are in charge of the web page, perhaps it would be worthwhile to add a link to the license. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=78359432-4ce004
Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
Psyclone AIOS™ is a powerful platform for building complex automation and autonomous systems - Message d'origine De : Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 17 Décembre 2007, 20h03mn 01s Objet : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries I've published a roughly categorized link list of Java AI tools and libraries, that may be helpful to Java developers here: http://texai.org/blog/software-links Are there useful Java components that are missing? Thanks! -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=77735844-281f2c
Re : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries
http://sw.joanneum.at/rammx/spec/ - Message d'origine De : Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 17 Décembre 2007, 20h03mn 01s Objet : [agi] List of Java AI tools libraries I've published a roughly categorized link list of Java AI tools and libraries, that may be helpful to Java developers here: http://texai.org/blog/software-links Are there useful Java components that are missing? Thanks! -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=77791390-3d7a28
