[agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP

2010-08-12 Thread Kaj Sotala
2010/8/12 John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com BTW here is the latest one: http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf See also: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~stansife/pnp.html - brief summary of the proof Discussion about whether it's correct:

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Parker
Just two quick comments. CCTV is already networked, the Police can track smoothly from one camera to another. Second comment is that if you (say) taking a heavy load upstairs you need 2 robots one holding each end. A single PC can control them both. In fact a robot workshop will be a kind of

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Parker
Someone who really believes that P=NP should go to Saudi Arabia or the Emirates and crack the Blackberry code. - Ian Parker On 12 August 2010 06:10, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Jim Bromer [mailto:jimbro...@gmail.com] Re: [agi] Re:

[agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Parker
This is a very powerful argument, but is not quite a rigorous proof. Thermodynamics is like saying that because all zeros below 10^20 have a real part of 0.5 therefore there are no non trivial zeros for which that is not the case. What I am saying is pedantic, very pedantic but will still affect

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

2010-08-12 Thread Mike Tintner
John, Any more detailed thoughts about its precise handling capabilities? Did it, first, not pick up the duck independently, (without human assistance)? If it did, what do you think would be the range of its object handling? (I had an immediate question about all this - have asked the site

RE: [agi] Nao Nao

2010-08-12 Thread John G. Rose
Typically the demo is some of the best that it can do. It looks like the robot is a mass produced model that has some really basic handling capabilities, not that it is made to perform work. It could still have relatively advanced microprocessor and networking system, IOW parts of the brain could

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

2010-08-12 Thread Mike Tintner
By not made to perform work, you mean that it is not sturdy enough? Are any half-way AGI robots made to perform work, vs production line robots? (I think the idea of performing useful work should be a goal). The protocol is obviously a good idea, but you're not suggesting it per se will lead

[agi] Fwd: [singularity] NEWS: Max More is Running for Board of Humanity+

2010-08-12 Thread Ben Goertzel
-- Forwarded message -- From: Natasha Vita-More nata...@natasha.cc Date: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:02 PM Subject: [singularity] NEWS: Max More is Running for Board of Humanity+ To: singularity singular...@v2.listbox.com Friends, It is my pleasure to endorse Max More's candidacy

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Parker
We are getting down to some of the nitty gritty. To a considerable extent what is holding robotics back is the lack of common standards. We can think about what we might need. One would instinctively start with a CAD/CAM package like ProEngineer. We can thus descibe a robot in terms of assembles

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben, There is obvious confusion here. MOST mutations harm, but occasionally one helps. By selecting for a particular difficult-to-achieve thing, like long lifespan, we can discard the harmful mutations while selecting for the helpful ones. However, selecting for something harmful and easy to