Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-16 Thread Mark Waser
".  How is Keogh's measure going to help you with that?   The problem is that Keogh's measure is intended for data-mining where you have separate instances, not one big entwined Gordian knot.   >> Now if only we had some test to tell which compressors have the best

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-16 Thread Matt Mahoney
misspell a word.  Who is smart and who is dumb?  -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:17:52 AMSubject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression o

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-16 Thread Mark Waser
essary for AI (and adds a lot of needless complexity) . . . .   So why are combining the two? - Original Message - From: Matt Mahoney To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compre

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Matt Mahoney
e models... Huh? By definition, the compressor with the best language model is the one with the highest compression ratio.   - Original Message - From: Matt Mahoney To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Waser
y To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize You could use Keogh's compression dissimilarity measure to test for inconsistency.http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~eam

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Philip Goetz
On 8/15/06, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I realize it is tempting to use lossy text compression as a test for AI because that is what the human brain does when we read text and recall it in paraphrased fashion. We remember the ideas and discard details about the expression of those

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Matt Mahoney
uage models... -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:22:10 PMSubject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize >> Could y

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Waser
s1), p(s2), so it will be distinguishable from human even if the compression ratio is ideal. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:28:26 AMSubje

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Matt Mahoney
implying are different things.-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:55:24 PMSubject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Waser
Mahoney To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize I realize it is tempting to use lossy text compression as a test for AI because that is what the human brai

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Matt Mahoney
ven if the compression ratio is ideal. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:28:26 AMSubject: Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

Re: Mahoney/Sampo: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Waser
>> I don't see any point in this debate over lossless vs. lossy compression   Lets see if I can simplify it. The stated goal is compressing human knowledge. The exact, same knowledge can always be expressed in a *VERY* large number of different bit strings Not being able to reprod