Which chains are used for container to container?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Shidan shi...@gmail.com wrote:
First I spoke to soon (by saying the problem is fixed with dnat for the
output chain), now I can now ping the containers from the host and visa
versa but not container
Hello I have multiple external IP addresses and set up iptables so that
each container is assigned one external IP on the lxcbr0 NATed bridge in a
1 to 1 fashion similar to this example:
root@SERVER:/var/log# iptables -t nat -L
Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source
I think the case of having a 1 to 1 assignment of external IPs to
containers is an important use case to document somewhere.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shidan shi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello I have multiple external IP addresses and set up iptables so that
each container is assigned one
Just figured it out a fix, I think. For containers to address each other by
both external and internal IPs, I set the DNAT rule on the OUTPUT and
PREROUTING chain, instead of just on the PREROUTING as above.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Shidan shi...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the case
I now am trying to get containers working on my laptop with GUIs using the
same setup of putting the network interface in a bridge so that there is no
NATing or private networks on the host.
So far I have been unsuccessful and I suspect its because the interface is
a wireless one, however, with
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wrote:
Stéphane,
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 10:12 -0400, Stéphane Graber wrote:
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 10:07:05AM -0400, Shidan wrote:
I now am trying to get an unprivilaged container to auto-start, I put
the
following in ~/.config/lxc/default.conf:
lxc.start.auto = 1
, 2014-06-09 at 10:46 -0400, Shidan wrote:
I tried it both in the individual configuration files and the main
one. I actually can't get lxc-autostart to work even in a session as
the user that owns the container right now and lxc-ls is not
recognizing the options in the config file
the hosts mac address with the outside world.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Stéphane Graber stgra...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 05:35:10PM +, Serge Hallyn wrote:
Quoting Shidan (shi...@gmail.com):
Hello, on my host I have 4 VLAN interfaces on eth0
(eth0:1, eth0:2
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Kris Pister pis...@eecs.berkeley.eduwrote:
Abandoning the installed base just goes to reinforce the idea
that IP isn't an appropriate technology for things.
Michael - I think that we have the same goal, but I disagree with that
statement. I think
based on numbers, facts and
use cases as to why we need an overhaul of everything.
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Richard Kelsey
richard.kel...@ember.comwrote:
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:12:03 -0800
From: Kris Pister pis...@eecs.berkeley.edu
Abandoning
personal experience. I did supervise a project which involved Nortel
integration a while ago and our engineers used a software that Nortel
provided which you ran on a windows workstation. This software acted as a
SIP gateway for the phones. I don't remember it's name.
Shidan Gouran
On Mon
A progressive CLEC with operations in both Canada and the States is looking
for an Asterisk guru. If any of you are interested give me a shout and I
will do the introductions. Preferably, you are someone I know or a mutual
asterisk friend can vouch for you.
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the carrier hotel equivalent to 151 is Altec.
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Jim Van Meggelen j...@vanmeggelen.cawrote:
Panama is not really that far away as the crow flies, so as long as there
aren't too many hops, you should be getting latency as good or better than
you
use
audiocodes without the development time and initial headaches of using SER
(once you get SER to work it works really well), and an audiocode box can't
be that expensive these days. If you do end up using Asterisk 1.6
successfully with OCS let us know.
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:29 PM
most people would be really interested.
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Bill Sandiford
b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote:
Hi Guys:
I think Shidan was referring to those roadside DSLAMs (they're called OPI
DSLAMs).
At a meeting in the future I could probably speak about DSL
the CRTC was extending (or had extended) their ruling
to requiring Bell to offer access to this infrastructure, or whether the
non-Bell ISP's had merely made an application that the CRTC do so.
Regards,
Doug.
- Original Message - From: Shidan shi...@gmail.com
To: Peng Li lipeng8
Actually this is something I have been wondering about myself. Is it really
an issue if you are greater than 21/2 miles from the CO in Toronto now days?
Isn't all the DSL traffic going out PTM-TC on hydro's fiber network long
before it hits any providers CO or DSLAM?
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:00
I absolutely agree, let's keep this list crap-free; Gert-Jan, can you
please stop posting to it.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Gert-Jan de Boer bo...@nosco-ict.nlwrote:
Can someone please keep this list crap-free.
Thank you.
Op woensdag 25-03-2009 om 14:00 uur [tijdzone +0100],
With Telnets infrastructure for the GTA, they would be one of my top choices
for DSL service. I can definitely vouch for Bill as a very responsive and
competent person and a company is usually as good as the people that run it.
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Philip Mullis
but
give Thinktel a call they might be resellers with better rates in that
region, they have good contacts out west.
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Gondar Monn gonda...@gmail.com wrote:
I might be wrong, only Telus is. Most of the other providers resell Telus
services...
On Fri, Feb 6
Guys, I have half off discount coupons for Pulver's new conference,
http://www.soccomm.com/
I can guarantee you there will be some very interesting people present from
the telecoms industry and a number of interesting talks from a number of
VoIP pioneers. If you or any of your friends are
of blogger.
As a legal note, I make absolutely no claims or warranties that this
application actually works or the following blogs display accurate
data from the CRTC or FCC's site.
Here they are:
for the CRTC: http://crtc.gulfpearl.com
for the FCC: http://fcc.gulfpearl.com
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I saw that already. It's not a listing of the FCCs headlines. It's
just a very lame, unusable, unordered list of a few snippets from
random FCC meetings. Check the data in my feed and compare it that and
I think the answer to what about this becomes obvious.
Cheers,
Shidan
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009
I saw that already. It's not a listing of the FCCs headlines. It's
just a very lame, unusable, unordered list of a few snippets from
random FCC meetings. Check the data in my feed and compare it that and
I think the answer to what about this becomes obvious.
Cheers,
Shidan
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009
for next time.
Shidan
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Chris Mason (Lists) li...@masonc.comwrote:
I had a number with a Canadian provider, hitcalls.com and after they
went out of business, we lost the number. Can anyone get hold of it and
provider it to us? The area code is 416.
Chris
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Jai Rangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Man you are brutal,
But anyway the positive side of this is that we know what all needs to be
fixed.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Jai Rangi wrote:
1. Yes we have
to re-
authenticate with sms when it has already done it before? It obviously
knows it has since it is telling me this number has been used for
authentication before.
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I've never tried the elastix distro so I don't know how you upgraded it. Did
you upgrade it from an RPM or their own scripts? If it's a custom type of
installation try using pear.
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Bruce,
This was one
troubleshoot and write
patches for the bugs we are having and add any features that we might need.
If any core developers are interested in such a contract please let me know.
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Has anyone run Asterisk on the Slug, I would like to hear your experiences
if you have. Also if anyone has a SLUG for purchase they want to part with
let me know.
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Thanks both of you, I will check out the Yahoo group.
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Drew Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Shidan,
Asterisk was running on my Slug at home for a few months until the HDD (a
dodgy, leftover laptop drive!) died. The SLUG is now resurrected on a 4GB
USB
in firefox or thunderbird
that you can be easily integrate into your firefox/thunderbird apps.
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM, John Van Ostrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Duane wrote:
Any chance of ENUM functionality? Well not so much for dialing, but I
made a firefox plugin to do enum
I'd have to agree with Duane here. There are very little cases where AGI's
aren't suitable.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Duane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reza M. Reza wrote:
We are aware of Asterisk's own internal database stuff and want to stay
away from it. Every hardcore Asterisk
Count me in as well.
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Simon P. Ditner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm going to book a room for a Saturday morning of hacking. I'll bring
in some phones, cables, laptop, and be messing around with stuff. No
agenda other than having some fun solving problems.
heya im looking for some interseting people get back to me, my mesenger is
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I'll be there. We're exhibiting as well. Hope to see anyone else who is
coming down from taug drop by.
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Kathleen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll be there. We're exhibiting at VON. Hope to see some of you guys
there.
Kathleen Reed
Sangoma
The company name is Jazinga, love to see you all drop by our booth and count
me in for any meetups.
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Jim Van Meggelen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Count me in!
Martin Glazer wrote:
I'll be coming down from Calgary - Anybody interested in
grabbing
If anyone wants to go from Taug, let me know and I will try and get
you a discount pass. This will be a very inspiring show, and I'm sure
everyone will gain a new perspective on where we are are heading.
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On Feb 18, 2008 7:32 PM, Jim Van Meggelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks,
I
I know someone in Europe who did this with Asterisk, but they used
cards from a European manufacturer and used the mISDN drivers, maybe
if you research into that a change of cards will do the trick?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Jim Van Meggelen
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Folks,
Got an
/ex-nortel field engineers here give
their feedback on when they installed most their systems and what they
are typically seeing now days.
Shidan
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Sun's JVM is written in C and Assembly, but there are JVMs written in
ML, Haskell, Java, etc. The point isn't what it is written in, the
point is what algorithms and data structures where used. It turns out
certain data structures are easier to formulate in C. In other cases
the semantics of
Using FastAGI() as Duane recommended will probably help a lot in this
regard, but if you have C programming skills, then you might as well
just write modules directly for Asterisk as that will be the least
amount of overhead.
Fastagi is better for a number of reasons. For one thing
On Jan 28, 2008 9:52 PM, Duane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shidan wrote:
That's the high level theory, in practice people like to write systems
in C because:
If I remember correctly all major operating systems currently in use
still coded in C, this includes linux and your BSDs and OSX
Java code is optimized as it is used. This means that optimizations are
based on actual usage rather than assumed usage. Some advantage is
gained from that. Whether it results in better overall performance
depends on the application and usage.
For JIT compilers there is always a tradeoff in
Maybe the Fonality rep. on this list can tell us how many trixbox
downloads have been had since it was taken over by them. Thats a
statistic I'm interested in as well.
Cheers,
Shidan
On Dec 19, 2007 6:54 PM, Steve Lecomte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pretty impressive!
From the Digium press
SIP_CODEC only worked on incoming calls in 1.0.x. no idea what it does
now or even if it still exists. There was a patch for it to do
outbound as well, but for some reason they decided to not add it to
their tree.
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On Dec 18, 2007 11:09 AM, Philip Mullis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Im
and WISP services.
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On Dec 7, 2007 12:42 PM, Bill Sandiford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reza:
I think when most people refer to de-regulation in the industry they are
referring to the CRTC telling the incumbents what they can and cannot sell
you and at what price.
The only reason most
When validating with Flex, When I navigate back and forth from
different views, the red box outline appears for
validation error, even if I fix it to a correct value. Has anyone else
seen this and is there a work around.
Cheers,
Shidan
makes much more sense for who we are now,
not sure if it's as catchy as taug, I think it would be a good idea to
brainstorm a new name.
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On Nov 22, 2007 7:08 PM, Jim Van Meggelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We evolved out of Simon's Ontario VoIP list, so in a sense we have always
been
On Nov 17, 2007 12:47 PM, Matthew Mackes
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When using SER in front of Asterisk, do you setup your sip profiles for
each phone/ extention in Ser, and then Ser points those extensions to the
correct Asterisk Server?
There is many ways you can set this up, most people
You would do soft hangup channelname. Reloads aren't supposed to
disconnect a call.
On Nov 18, 2007 7:49 PM, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Is there a way to disconnect a SIP and IAX2 call from asterisk CLI?
(asterisk -r)
I find it interesting that restarting asterisk and reload SIP
Hi, apart from using Mercury QTP, is there anything else to perform
automated tests
with Flex. What are peoples strategies for testing flex apps. ?
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Hi, can somebody list/point me to the largest distributors of VoIP supplies to
vars in the states.
Cheers,
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No its not very cost effective. Every recognized SMS carrier has a soap and
smtp interface. This is the best place to
find info on the various providers you can work with (for Canada):
http://txt.ca/
On 9/11/07, Mark Palser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible/cost effective to use an
I'm looking for a Python module that provides methods for ordering
regexes based on
how general they are ( how much they match). Do I have to write it
myself or does something exist already.
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Hi Justin,
just to clarify something when you say They are a Toronto company
shouldn't you be saying We are a Toronto company. Your price is
unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first
post and even when I called you at their office.
Regards,
Shidan
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no one here is as stupid as you think.
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I would like to find all the TextInputs in a Panel but when I do a for
in loop over the Panel I get nothing.
for (var 0:Object in panel){
Alert.show(o.toString());
}
Can someone give me a pointer.
Thanks,
Shidan
.
Cheers,
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On 4/19/07, Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was a thread in the discussion list that veered on the topic of
getting good PRI pricing and good service from carriers. I know I've talked
to at least one individual at the meetings who's company has CLEC status and
I'm sure
or the problem was, I haven't had a need
to modify the box in almost two years apart from the odd security
patch and yum upgrade.
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On 4/16/07, Voip Asterisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Awesome, any chance you can share your resource specs?
Thanks
Miles
Asterisk works great with openvz
Asterisk works great with openvz. Ive run 4 VE's with combined average
around 32 simultaneous calls at any time and you wouldn't know the
difference.
On 4/13/07, Voip Asterisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone here running asterisk on openvz, if so what are your experiences?
Right now we are
or pointers.
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How do I add a hyperlink in a DataGridColumn and for the value
displayed in the cell I want the link to be like this:
http:\\thesite.com\the value
Hi, are there any flex coders here from Toronto who are interested in
full time employment. Skills with concurrency models, embedded devices
and Python would be a good bonus but not required. Please contact me
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script.
All of the above but 7 should be doable in 4 lines in the dialplan.
check out dialing using L and ${ANSWEREDTIME}, conditionals and
accessing external dbs all from the dialplan on the wiki.
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On 12/26/06, Liviu Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I am using several VoIP
or the readme in the source. If there is any part of of
the instructions you don't understand or are having problems with let
us know.
Shidan
On 12/26/06, M.Arshad khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Install freeradius with mysql, and install radius module for asterisk on
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I'm looking for DIDs for Africa, specially Nigeria, anyone selling?
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Hi how can I get a Users password after it has been hashed. Reseting it
is not
good enough due to the nature of the application and how it integrates
with the
rest of the system
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Thanks guys, that was it.
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> > Some of my textfields have a yellow background others have have white.
> > There is nothing in my css
, this doesn't happen in IE.
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Hi, I want the same functionality as the ChangeManipulator where it
prepopulates the form with
the current values of the object, how can I do this with custom form
manipulator.
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I haven't played with users and devices under freepbx for more than
two years now so what I say can be a bit outdated, correct me if I'm
wrong Alex. Even separating users and devices wont be much use, since
it's still a one to one relationship in freepbx, you can temporarily
use different phones,
Ran across both of these today:
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/rich-tehrani/open-source/open-source-communications-and-sip-come-to-amazoncom.html
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/i/solutions/iptelephony/
I think at best its a bug with the safe_asterisk script and at worst
could be a bug with asterisk itself. I can't see how this is a
configuration issue with freepbx.
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On 10/11/06, Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/11/06 21:15 Joseph said the following:
I quits on my
Trixbox 1.2 is pretty buggy, I'd suggest waiting until the next major
release. There's also a couple of bugs with freepbx and asterisk
1.2.12 + so you might want to wait until they are resolved.
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Hello,
I have a well working, well
Thanks, that was it, luckily I have cygwin installed which comes with a
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Exception Type: error
Exception Value:(10061, 'Connection refused')
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This happens with any valid "new_user.email"
Any help appreciated.
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asterisk server and when the session is established again, the rtp
starts flowing.
Cheers,
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On 10/3/06, Henry.Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jim, I guess I would want to know what the Grandstream GXP 2000 does
when the hold button is pressed?
Does it put the channel on hold at the phone
= loader.get_template('account/about.html')
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Hi so with my setup of asterisk 1.4 and installing freepbx on it, I
have everything working fine now except one thing, the remote console
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freepbx.
Just to save time, I'm not looking for a solution that doesn't
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from indications.conf ( but the file is
correct).
So if it's found to be a more general problem thats something to look at.
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On 9/29/06, Eric ManxPower Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Make sure you have a /etc/asterisk/indications.conf
Shidan
from indications.conf ( but the file is
correct).
So if it's found to be a more general problem thats something to look at.
Thanks for all your responses.
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On 9/29/06, Eric ManxPower Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Make sure you have a /etc/asterisk/indications.conf
Shidan
Even though I think there is much that can be improved with Trixbox,
we should thank Andrew Gillis for the wonderful work he has done with
Asterisk that's made life easier for alot of people. Maybe you're
pissed and unimpressed but I'm impressed with any gift that helps
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IMHO, the fact that someone is afraid to point out problems with Trixbox
on a Trixbox forum signals there may be attitude problems with that
project?
Have you ever experienced attitude problems with devs of Trixbox or FreePBX?
I've seen them help most strangers for free on IRC and even the
We can get both of you PRI's for montreal and Toronto, mail me back at [EMAIL PROTECTED].On 9/11/06, pcman
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PierreOn 9/11/06, Bob Smith
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hey mates.. i need a canada term/orig in the 514/450 418 area
So has anyone tried a wifi phone on the Hydro rollout this week? Anyone have
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And this is a biz topic BJ.On 9/7/06, BJ Weschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/6/06, James Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does not make it right. Brandon Galbraith wrote: Because their still a business that needs to make money. Servers,
salaries, etc. cost money. -brandon This is a -biz
Hey I'm not partial to any side here, but how can't you consider discussions on licensing and rights to not be related to asterisk business. If you don't like what people have to say in this thread then don't read it.
On 9/7/06, BJ Weschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/7/06, Shidan [EMAIL
and all proper credit is given. The GPL actually partially serves the purposes of giving credit
always to the company or individual in question while giving free code.---Shidan GouranOn 9/6/06, trixter aka Bret McDanel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 02:25 +0200, Patrick wrote
Are you running asterisk and exim under the same user or different ones?
On 8/26/06, Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have quite an unique situation and I am brain dead.Since more
people besides myself have access to my Asterisk box, I made the decision a
while ago to
the default setuid in the config, this
should work on most debian derivatives, don't know if it will on ubuntu if
thats what u are using..
On 8/27/06, Shidan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you running asterisk and exim under the same user or different ones?
On 8/26/06, Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast [EMAIL
First off, I don't work for Ericsson, but it is my impression that normally the
call control is done in Erlang and the media processing is done ineither hardware orC.I never said you work in Ericsson ;)
I You really are interested I recommend You to ask on[EMAIL PROTECTED]I did but they stopped
I don't know if I responded to the original poster before but if you are looking for a python fastAGI server, there already is one, its called starpy.Anders, since you know Erlang, do you know of any media processig libraries in Erlang, do the ericsson softswitches do the media processing
np, but in general its well worth the learn tho if you like python ;)
On 8/3/06, shawn bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the reply Shidan,
i have looked at this package before, but was not exactly excited about
having to learn twisted, get twisted up and running, etc... just to get
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